I see. Yeah, I think I still disagree re: the nature of the social status thing. It also doesn’t fit with my experience of people who claim that they would love nothing more than to be left alone with their books or their model trains or whatever... how do they fit into this?
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I think for a lot of people, these claims are a side effect of despair + a lack of understanding of their own situation (easy to lack when born into a dysfunctional culture) but some % really do have minds that vary in this way: they have the mastery drive, it's just less social
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Reading books or building model trains is virtually never done in some arbitrary way; the mastery drive is pretty apparent in ever more complex mechanical/logistical train systems or an ever more interesting/complex set of models for the life of the mind to inhabit
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where one misses the boat is if one proceeds from the idea that it's one's actual social status that matters rather than the output of a black box that vaguely wants to evaluate social status but really just knows what it gets fed
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Yeah, it's really important to recognize that the same phenomena exist on and are explainable in dramatically different ways on different layers. Evolutionary psychology trips up a lot of people — maybe most — this way
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Is the claim here that validation from other human beings isn’t intrinsically meaningful but is simply an input into a system that evolved a dysphoric response to a lack of this stimulus?
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It's more like... I dunno, I think it can be helpful to remember that on an everyday basis, it doesn't really matter whether a god or an evolutionary process created you. If knowing the truth helps you figure out how to be a happy part of a communal positive feedback loop, cool
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I guess my concern about reductionism is that it implies that it would be a good thing if billions of people could take a pill that simulated the input of social validation and made it easy to live meaningless solitary lives. It just seems a bit Brave New World-ish.
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I don't really know what to say; if you think I've argued anything like this I have to imagine you've been reading me in some manner that I wouldn't even recognize. I'm not even sure what to try to correct
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Sorry, I should've directed that tweet at
@chaosprime instead of replying to you, as it was a response to his reductionist perspective on the value of human connection. I didn't mean to imply you shared that view. Apologies for the confusion here.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
weird to be regarded as having a reductionist perspective on anything, lol i, uh, do not mean to imply by paying particular attention right now to one particular self-destruct mechanism in human wetware that human connection has no significance beyond a hackable signal into it
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I mean, that was the impression I got when you responded "yes" to the following tweethttps://twitter.com/mattdiamond/status/1153071050235813891 …
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oh, right, that makes sense. i didn't mean to be dismissing all broader meaning to human interaction ("intrinsic" aside), i thought we were addressing the specific context
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