how to address thishttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1142084737558880256 …
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I see. Yeah, I think I still disagree re: the nature of the social status thing. It also doesn’t fit with my experience of people who claim that they would love nothing more than to be left alone with their books or their model trains or whatever... how do they fit into this?
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I think for a lot of people, these claims are a side effect of despair + a lack of understanding of their own situation (easy to lack when born into a dysfunctional culture) but some % really do have minds that vary in this way: they have the mastery drive, it's just less social
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Reading books or building model trains is virtually never done in some arbitrary way; the mastery drive is pretty apparent in ever more complex mechanical/logistical train systems or an ever more interesting/complex set of models for the life of the mind to inhabit
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where one misses the boat is if one proceeds from the idea that it's one's actual social status that matters rather than the output of a black box that vaguely wants to evaluate social status but really just knows what it gets fed
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the practical direction here is figuring out how to convince oneself that one is high status; that would negate the need for actually *being* high status, which tends to be kinda high maintenance as far as i can tell
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yes, but there are also valid reasons to be concerned about decoupling major volitional systems from external feedback entirelyhttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1153071283116158976 …
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Chaos @chaosprimeReplying to @chaosprime @webdevMason and 2 others"high social status" corresponds to high dopamine schizophrenics typically have delusion systems that assign them a significant role (paranoids matter so much the secret masters of the world have to devote attention to them personally) schizophrenics have very high dopamine1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
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Sure, but it seems like that’s a practical hurdle rather than an objection on principle, right?
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i mean, it's both, the practicality doesn't seem that challenging to me (those with lower schizotypy may have differing mileage), but i object to it on aesthetic grounds
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I don't mean this in a snarky way but it's genuinely interesting to me how moral anti-realists use aesthetics to capture concerns that moral realists would consider "ethical". I guess that's fine with me as long as people are willing to vehemently defend aesthetic principles...
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i refer you to the scene in Lord of Light where Sam has previously preached detachment and that the things this world would have you fight for are all illusory, but now he needs an army, so he sits a bunch of people down and fires them up to kill and die for the Divine Aesthetic
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but yeah, i'm not saying anything different from moral realists ("this is how i want the world to be and i'm happy for people to suffer to make or keep it this way"), i'd just feel like an asshole pretending it's some cosmic shit like they do
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it's funny because my intuition goes in the opposite direction: I'd feel like an asshole for condoning suffering *unless* it was for a reason beyond my own personal aesthetic preferences but of course if you don't believe in supra-aesthetic reasons then that view makes no sense
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