I can’t speak for @webdevMason but I don’t think people need those delusions to succeed. I think all they need is “I *can* be rich/famous/successful/etc. if I try my best”... they don’t need certainty re: the future.
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Replying to @mattdiamond @chaosprime and
In fact, certainty (in the form of “I am going to fail”) is part of the problem!
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"success" isn't the question
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Sorry, misunderstood you. What is the question, then?
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how to address thishttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1142084737558880256 …
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Chaos @chaosprime"man is a social animal" sounds all fluffy bunnies but what it means is that there are deep structures in your brain that try to kill you if your perception of your social status is too low. in Dunbar-number-sized social groups most people could clear this bar. most now can'tShow this thread1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
I see. Yeah, I think I still disagree re: the nature of the social status thing. It also doesn’t fit with my experience of people who claim that they would love nothing more than to be left alone with their books or their model trains or whatever... how do they fit into this?
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I think for a lot of people, these claims are a side effect of despair + a lack of understanding of their own situation (easy to lack when born into a dysfunctional culture) but some % really do have minds that vary in this way: they have the mastery drive, it's just less social
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Reading books or building model trains is virtually never done in some arbitrary way; the mastery drive is pretty apparent in ever more complex mechanical/logistical train systems or an ever more interesting/complex set of models for the life of the mind to inhabit
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where one misses the boat is if one proceeds from the idea that it's one's actual social status that matters rather than the output of a black box that vaguely wants to evaluate social status but really just knows what it gets fed
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the practical direction here is figuring out how to convince oneself that one is high status; that would negate the need for actually *being* high status, which tends to be kinda high maintenance as far as i can tell
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yes, but there are also valid reasons to be concerned about decoupling major volitional systems from external feedback entirelyhttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1153071283116158976 …
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Replying to @chaosprime @neutronglitch and
Sure, but it seems like that’s a practical hurdle rather than an objection on principle, right?
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i mean, it's both, the practicality doesn't seem that challenging to me (those with lower schizotypy may have differing mileage), but i object to it on aesthetic grounds
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