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    1. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jul 21
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      what do you mean by “consciously maintained delusion”? what’s the delusion here?

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 21
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      "i am going to be rich and famous someday" "i am better than other people because i was born special" "i could have succeeded, but others sabotaged me" "the system is persecuting me to keep me from telling people the truth" "i am important because God loves me"

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    3. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jul 21
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      I can’t speak for @webdevMason but I don’t think people need those delusions to succeed. I think all they need is “I *can* be rich/famous/successful/etc. if I try my best”... they don’t need certainty re: the future.

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    4. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jul 21
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      In fact, certainty (in the form of “I am going to fail”) is part of the problem!

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 21
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      "success" isn't the question

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    6. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jul 21
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      Sorry, misunderstood you. What is the question, then?

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 21
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      how to address thishttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1142084737558880256 …

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      "man is a social animal" sounds all fluffy bunnies but what it means is that there are deep structures in your brain that try to kill you if your perception of your social status is too low. in Dunbar-number-sized social groups most people could clear this bar. most now can't
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    8. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jul 21
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      I see. Yeah, I think I still disagree re: the nature of the social status thing. It also doesn’t fit with my experience of people who claim that they would love nothing more than to be left alone with their books or their model trains or whatever... how do they fit into this?

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    9. Mason  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 21
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      I think for a lot of people, these claims are a side effect of despair + a lack of understanding of their own situation (easy to lack when born into a dysfunctional culture) but some % really do have minds that vary in this way: they have the mastery drive, it's just less social

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    10. Mason  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 21
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      Reading books or building model trains is virtually never done in some arbitrary way; the mastery drive is pretty apparent in ever more complex mechanical/logistical train systems or an ever more interesting/complex set of models for the life of the mind to inhabit

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 21
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      where one misses the boat is if one proceeds from the idea that it's one's actual social status that matters rather than the output of a black box that vaguely wants to evaluate social status but really just knows what it gets fed

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        2. Mason  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 21
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          Yeah, it's really important to recognize that the same phenomena exist on and are explainable in dramatically different ways on different layers. Evolutionary psychology trips up a lot of people — maybe most — this way

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        3. Mason  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 21
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          What we do is in some sense "because" we're a self-replicating biological organism resulting from many gens of reproductive success. But that does not really help us figure out how to be happy and playful and nice to each other, the layers from which reproductive success emerges

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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 21
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          "high social status" corresponds to high dopamine schizophrenics typically have delusion systems that assign them a significant role (paranoids matter so much the secret masters of the world have to devote attention to them personally) schizophrenics have very high dopamine

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        2. Neutron Glitch‏ @neutronglitch Jul 21
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          Replying to @chaosprime @webdevMason and

          the practical direction here is figuring out how to convince oneself that one is high status; that would negate the need for actually *being* high status, which tends to be kinda high maintenance as far as i can tell

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        3. Mason  🏃🏻 ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 21
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          I really think this can be as simple as frontloading the (often long) search for genuine interests, pursuing those interests with a sense of purpose, and ideally a few of them so you're always operating in a few different hierarchies

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