What hampers is that cult leaders and cult leader advisor are often two personality shapes, one could not be the other (unlike let's say a vizier and a king, as the king may often be forced into the throne and the cult leader often builds the herrschaft)https://twitter.com/erin_nerung/status/1150434759123886081 …
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Replying to @hashmalign
that's true, but the appeal of being a leader is very obvious and might leave those without that personality type frustrated precisely for knowing it's a role they will never play
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Replying to @erin_nerung @hashmalign
but there are other paths for the power-hungry who don't have the profile of a leader, and these paths have their own perks that might be overlooked as these people focus too hard on the glamorous rock star charles manson position
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Replying to @erin_nerung
true, but what i meant is most likely these paths fills themselves, the advisor may try for eminence grise, because it knows it cant be the rockstar and also values more what is done in the dark/the advantages you said
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Replying to @hashmalign @erin_nerung
It's more the that the path chooses the people than the people choose the path
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Replying to @hashmalign
more seriously though - yes, but people will still struggle against the path they're more suited for, if they don't think it's very appealing (but i suspect you'd just say "yes and those people usually turn out ti be failures" to that)
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Replying to @erin_nerung @hashmalign
or, put a bit more elegantly, they wouldn't fill any roles - neither the ones they want nor the ones they can
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Replying to @erin_nerung @hashmalign
y'know how people with damaged self-images will lose interest in someone if that person is interested in them, since that person has now demonstrated their terrible taste? i wonder if the same dynamic applies to roles they're suited for; "if it's for me it must suck"
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Replying to @chaosprime @hashmalign
that's probably often the case, and I'd add the importance of degree here as well - the more damaged, the less it's "not appealing" and more "this sucks ass" as anyone who's ever dated someone like that knows, the higher degree the more likely they'll be trouble
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which is an annoying problem in this case as people with damaged self-images are usually the best suited to be members in the first place (why cults are usually clusterfucks)
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so you really need people within a fairly finely tuned band of damagedness enough to tempt someone to start damaging people to spec oneself
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Replying to @chaosprime @erin_nerung
rounding up it seems what works is to shape the magic circle, create various concentric circles inside of it to contain/evaluate damagedness (and how it translates into ambition) and enforce some set of mythical mutual vigilance at the highest levels to avoid/discourage defect
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