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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

    "man is a social animal" sounds all fluffy bunnies but what it means is that there are deep structures in your brain that try to kill you if your perception of your social status is too low. in Dunbar-number-sized social groups most people could clear this bar. most now can't

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      2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        this means that rational and accurate self-perception, as matters stand with our world-sized pool of fish making everybody small. is a suicide pact. this is the source of a truth we all recognize: in modern society, to be sane is fucking nuts

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        our survival drive never goes away either, though, so we're continually working out dozens of ways to cope with this. if you run into people on the lowest rungs of society in your day-to-day, you mostly run into ones who are obviously deeply crazy

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      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        this is a matter of selection pressure; the ones whose brains couldn't work out some way of hacking their self-perception are mostly dead now. higher up, a very popular solution is celebrity culture, where you identify with a figure of worship and participate in their status

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        an enormous amount of activity is continually devoted to growing and nurturing subcultures that are large enough to sustain a sense of status and small enough for that sense of status to be accessible, then trying to manage that balance against the vicissitudes of churn

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      6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        most of culture war can be usefully viewed as people trying to build senses of themselves as important, which gets particularly ugly when your sense of yourself as important is based on your sense of specific other people as unimportant

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      7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21

        it appears to be natural to react to other people trying to puff up their sense of their importance with annoyance, but i feel like it would be helpful to keep in mind that as awkward and ham-fisted as this behavior might get, it's a matter of raw fucking survival for all of us

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      2. uel aramchek‏ @ThePatanoiac Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Imagining a cascade failure wherein a population is shown an ordered list of their relative social statuses, making each person immediately aware when they've become the lowest on the list...

        3 replies 2 retweets 35 likes
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @ThePatanoiac

        the person lowest on the list will fight like hell to stay there. the person second lowest on the list should be immediately placed on suicide watch

        3 replies 5 retweets 55 likes
      4. David Bokkares‏ @curiouscalvin00 Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime @ThePatanoiac

        Why?

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @curiouscalvin00 @ThePatanoiac

        being the lowest on the list is a position of distinction that allows a paradoxical construction of contrarian status, being the second lowest on the list means you can't even be the best at sucking

        2 replies 5 retweets 28 likes
      6. nope.avitus‏ @nopeavitus2twit Jun 21
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        pic.twitter.com/6w17plS4A6

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      7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @nopeavitus2twit @curiouscalvin00 @ThePatanoiac

        eXACTly

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      2. Caroline J.‏ @carolinejamhour Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime

        It's just not very clear how brain structures try to kill us.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @carolinejamhour

        it's not the clearest thing ever, no, but it looks like depression

        2 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
      4. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime @carolinejamhour

        The formulation seems backwards to me... it’s like saying there’s something in our body that tries to kill us if we don’t get enough food or water. Maybe technically true (?) but it seems like a strange way to describe what’s happening.

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @mattdiamond @carolinejamhour

        your car stops running when it runs out of gas; that's like hunger and thirst. if, instead, your car's gas tank was rigged with a bomb that exploded when it fell below 20% capacity, you could compare that to hunger and thirst, but the comparison would be highly suspect

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      6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime @mattdiamond @carolinejamhour

        my claim is that the phenomenon under discussion is more like the bomb

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      7. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime @carolinejamhour

        Is there a specific reason you think it’s more like the bomb example than the deprivation of a resource? Is it because socialization doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that could be “stored” and therefore the pain must be self-inflicted?

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      8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 21
        Replying to @mattdiamond @carolinejamhour

        a resource that exists if a pattern recognition engine triggers and doesn't exist if it doesn't is very different from food or water

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      9. Paul Hundred‏ @paul_hundred Jun 21
        Replying to @chaosprime @mattdiamond @carolinejamhour

        Thinking of it as a bomb might make sense evolutionarily if its detonation typically took the form of high-risk high-reward run amok. In modern society, that’s less encouraged (though maybe increasingly popular) and a higher percentage wallow impotently instead.

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