How could they do better? Their base is vocal and openly hostile in enforcing the most superficial and pointless gestures while the entire apparatus still rolls on. They keep getting the spoils, they make no real sacrifices, they get political power/votes. How could it improve?
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Replying to @s_pitchfork
it would certainly make the problem look more real if any of the people in a position to have worked on faking it were agitated enough about it to try to provide leadership toward substantive and pointful measures
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Replying to @chaosprime @s_pitchfork
I believe very few would support the kind of changes necessary to put a dent in climate change. It's political suicide to even suggest them, and so we have the current situation...assuming that any of the politicians genuinely give a shit in the first place.
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Replying to @neutronglitch @chaosprime
All the Left believes in is power and nothing else. Climate change is just a means to an end, like every single other issue.
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Replying to @s_pitchfork @neutronglitch
well that's certainly an assertion. how do you define "the Left", that this is a statement one can make about it with one's bare face hanging out?
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Replying to @chaosprime @neutronglitch
Right and Left are useful not as generalities for particular pol. movements or groups or parties, but for their prevailing energy: towards order/hierarchy or towards entropy/demos. I should add the latter can be sometimes good, as old sometimes must give way to new.
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Replying to @s_pitchfork @neutronglitch
so people of predominantly entropy/demos tendency believe in power and nothing else? what do people of predominantly order/hierarchy tendency believe in?
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Replying to @chaosprime @neutronglitch
They believe in 'Not Left,' i.e.: they believe in resisting entropy. Building a house is a kind of power, sure, because you are asserting your will over land. But you don't do it to subjugate land, you're doing it to resist being eaten by wolves. Compare what the wolf believes.
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Replying to @s_pitchfork @neutronglitch
and there's no, like, component to this for you where there's a part of building a house that looked a lot like entropy to a bunch of trees
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Replying to @chaosprime @neutronglitch
What is the hierarchy of a forest? Who has power over them and is responsible for their actions? I mean I see what you're doing, but try this thought exercise with 'taking a bucket of water from the river sure looks like entropy to the river.'
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so, what, once people are involved in a structure, changing it is evil? let's have homeostasis of the first thing we landed on until heat death? mkay
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