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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 12
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      if we had access to the vocabulary of operant conditioning we'd have a framework for observing tons of everyday mind control shit. like, adding an aversive stimulus is positive punishment, but once the agent accepts the stimulus as normal, removing it is negative reinforcement

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 12
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      or the requirement that the agent perceive a connection between its actions and the stimulus means there's such a thing as reinforcement capture, where you convince the agent that what it did that you want conditioned is what generated the reinforcing stimulus instead of what did

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 12
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      but we can't have these conversations because literal psychology professors will tell you in a classroom that "negative reinforcement" is a fancy term for punishment, and even if they don't fuck that up the chances of "positive punishment" passing their lips are nil

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    4. Rain‏ @rainherself Jun 12
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      Tbh its just language being a bitch. If we could stop saying positive to mean good and negative to mean bad that would fix many science-to-layperson translation problems. But we won’t.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 12
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      or technically i guess psychology and cybernetics and whatever could just leave the stone at the bottom of the hill and start saying "additive" and "subtractive" instead of "positive" and "negative"

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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 12
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          ha ha i spoke as if a relatively small group of professionals and academics is more capable of making a coordinated change to its habits of language use than the general public, i crack me up

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        2. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Jun 12
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          That would be less confusing.

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        3. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Jun 12
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          I mean, I definitely learned 'negative reinforcement == punishment' in college from the actual course books.

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        1. Rain‏ @rainherself Jun 12
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          Ooh hey I didn't think of those words, good idea

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        1. radical al-Jabraist‏ @mathpunk Jun 12
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          it would let one hang onto the useful concept of valence, positive and negative (or run-toward and run-away-from)

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