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    1. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 25
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      This doesn’t follow, as far as I’m concerned. Transcribed software doesn’t compute any function any more than musical notation has pitch or rhythm.

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    2. Trash Wizard‏ @smudgie_buggler Apr 25
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      Replying to @smudgie_buggler @Alrenous and

      Perfectly willing to entertain that neural nets themselves aren’t qualia-apt no matter how sophisticated (in fact this seems likely). But if I’m understanding you, you don’t think consciousness is capable of being virtualised by a Turing machine. Why?

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    3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 25
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      Because encoding is arbitrary. If one Turing machine is conscious, every Turing machine is conscious. And everything is a component of some Turing machine, so everything is multiple consciousnesses. In reality consciousness takes specific, expensive machinery.

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    4. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 25
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      "[C]onsciousness takes specific, expensive machinery." -- This seems extremely evolutionarily improbable.

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    5. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 25
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      ... Not only does consciousness (as such) almost certainly come for free, but there's probably a discount on the comparatively dodgy comes-with-consciousness version of the cognitive systems it's associated with.

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    6. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Apr 25
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      "Whoa, that seems cheap!" "Yeah, it's a great deal ... thing is it fritzes out into consciousness a little ..." "A little?" * laughs nervously * "Well, it's not as if it goes full-Buddhism, or anything ... necessarily." "Can I take a look at the other models?"

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    7. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 26
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      There's nothing rocks do that's special vis a vis neural nets. It's all just math knocking against itself. Like there's panpsychism and then there's PANpsychism where rocks have not only one full-fledged human-sized mind, but more than one.

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    8. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Apr 27
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      "it's all just math" it's most definitely not the same math, though.

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    9. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 27
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      The math describing a rock is orders of magnitude more complicated than the math describing neural net.

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    10. class warmonger‏ @cyborg_nomade Apr 27
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      regular crystals are more complex than dynamic learning systems? I'm skeptical, but even so being simple would suggest that humans are about as dim as expected

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 27
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      it's just palming a card, comparing a mathematical model of a mathematical entity to a mathematical model of a physical entity. if you had to mathematically describe the physical substrate of the neural net it'd go differently

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        1. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Apr 27
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          That's part of the problem: the substrate hosting the neural net is vastly more complicated than the neural net itself, and turning it on adds nothing, from the perspective of the universe.

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