trying to snare the concept of consciousness in a definition that brings it inside the rational and empirical is a favorite pastime of the overweening and is in every case completely analogous to the drunk looking for his keys under the lamppost because the light's better there
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Replying to @chaosprime
Might make more sense to treat it as the religious spook it is.
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Replying to @FinalOverdrive @chaosprime
Seriously, 'consciousness' discourse started because a bunch of theologians feared the implications of the emerging sciences. And descartes just squared the circle.
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Catholic propaganda aside, at the end of the day i still have an experiential point of view, which rationally and empirically makes *zero* sense, and y'all zombies mostly claim to also have one and there's some chance you aren't lying, so something the fuck is going on
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the sense data coming in through my skin and eyes and so on isn't just cascading around some neuron chains until it spits out muscle actuation, there's also something *experiencing* it
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You've got it backwards, warp-spawn. The brain is actively anticipating the next incoming signals, not reacting. Zombies are incoherent.
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and this, to you, explains the existence of subjects of perception? uh, Imperial scum, i guess
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Nah. The weird thing is, these sorts of predictive brain views explain almost everything about the contents of experience, including individual subjectivity, while leaving the existence at all of experience still unexplained. Which is no call for mysterianism.
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oh, well, that's my point, yes mysterianism is of course its own reward
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