trying to snare the concept of consciousness in a definition that brings it inside the rational and empirical is a favorite pastime of the overweening and is in every case completely analogous to the drunk looking for his keys under the lamppost because the light's better there
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Replying to @chaosprime
Might make more sense to treat it as the religious spook it is.
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Replying to @FinalOverdrive @chaosprime
Seriously, 'consciousness' discourse started because a bunch of theologians feared the implications of the emerging sciences. And descartes just squared the circle.
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Catholic propaganda aside, at the end of the day i still have an experiential point of view, which rationally and empirically makes *zero* sense, and y'all zombies mostly claim to also have one and there's some chance you aren't lying, so something the fuck is going on
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Replying to @friarzero @FinalOverdrive
the sense data coming in through my skin and eyes and so on isn't just cascading around some neuron chains until it spits out muscle actuation, there's also something *experiencing* it
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Replying to @chaosprime @friarzero
That something is the bundle of neuron chains.
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Replying to @FinalOverdrive @friarzero
how many neurons in a chain does it take for a point of view to exist? are neurons special? does a homeostasis-maintaining clockwork mechanism have a point of view? does a connectionist network model have a point of view?
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Replying to @chaosprime @friarzero
That's an empirical question, one that can be resolved by experimentation and just trying to build one.
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how do you detect the presence of a point of view?
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Replying to @chaosprime @friarzero
I don't know, but I imagine if a machine could talk back to me and I knew it wasn't a pre-programmed response?
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Replying to @FinalOverdrive @friarzero
how can the existence or non-existence of a point of view in a machine be dependent on your knowledge of how it's constituted?
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