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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      at some level of sociodynamics poisoning, it becomes challenging not to dismiss out of hand any proposition that neatly fits a powerful cultural formation's preferred narrative, on the assumption that it's a febrile product of motivated reasoning

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    2. despairagus‏ @palecur Mar 19
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      all reasoning is motivated, calling *some* reasoning motivated is just a low-effort dismissal of that reasoning tbh

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      is there a better term i should use for starting with your conclusions and working backward from them

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    4. despairagus‏ @palecur Mar 19
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      'regular thinking'

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      it's really not and saying it is is a miserable excuse for a crap behavior

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    6. despairagus‏ @palecur Mar 19
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      honestly I do think it's the default human mode and not remarkably objectionable; starting from the conclusion is a good way to reach the conclusions you need to reach, and if you can't build a good chain of reasoning it's a good sign you need to pick a different conclusion.

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      as far as i can tell you've conflated induction with motivated reasoning, which is... awful

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      let's say some economic tragedy has happened, and you bring a couple of economists into a room. one is a broadly trained guy with no particular ideological commitments

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      he looks at the evidence, tries to imagine ways things could have gone, and re-examines the evidence in light of different things to see how well they fit it. he is doing induction

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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      the other is a committed Marxist, and he walked into the room with the conclusion that since something bad happened, it was because of the bourgeoisie exploiting the working class, so he sifts the evidence for things that can be made to say that. he is doing motivated reasoning

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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
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          you can pattern match these things with each other if you're determined to, but they aren't even similar in character

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        2. dj microbeads‏ @djmicrobeads Mar 20
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          you actually made a good point but i just wanna sit and watch someone argue with you for two hours about marxism now. are you even laying this bait intentionally??? it looks like you can't help it lol

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 20
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          i’m pretty sure i could have picked an less trollish example that everybody is happy seeing kicked around like Randroids or furries but what’s the fun in that

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        2. Wind Turkey‏ @dog_envier Mar 20
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          Imagine two strategies for avoiding errors of motivated reasoning: 1) be ex ante scrupulously neutral b/w conclusions, 2) have strict standards for what counts as evidence. Different institutions use different mixes to varying effect. Both have serious limits.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 20
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          the first one easily becomes self-defeating if you aren't careful because the need to maintain the *appearance* of neutrality biases you against valid conclusions that are outside the Overton window

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          Now imagine a case where this is how both economists operate, but due to your prejudices you apply much stricter scrutiny to the Marxist economist. I would argue that this happens more frequently than you think.

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        1. Christopher Reighley‏ @reighleyc Mar 20
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          What if he is committed to Marxism because he believes it to be true based on empirical evidence? Consider two physicists, one of which firmly committed to quantum mechanics and one who has an open mind. The epistemology is not as straight forward as you suppose.

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