at some level of sociodynamics poisoning, it becomes challenging not to dismiss out of hand any proposition that neatly fits a powerful cultural formation's preferred narrative, on the assumption that it's a febrile product of motivated reasoning
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the other is a committed Marxist, and he walked into the room with the conclusion that since something bad happened, it was because of the bourgeoisie exploiting the working class, so he sifts the evidence for things that can be made to say that. he is doing motivated reasoning
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you can pattern match these things with each other if you're determined to, but they aren't even similar in character
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