This is literally just about people like y'all trying to claim that noticing things about a context dependent subcultural signifier means that one wishes to ban that signifier in all cases, which is dumb as fuck and a core part of the right wing messaging on this issue
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @0K_ultra and
I literally don't see anything in this thread or the original one to do with "banning" the sign. Just applying social implications to it, which would only serve to fuck with a large portion of the normal population. Seems like a bad idea to me.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
Like, what does it accomplish? DudeA: flashes ok, also talks about european identity DudeB: flashes ok. DudeA is a whitesoup due to context, but the identifier's already there in the other action. Making ok a "maybe" signifier only makes dim people think dudeB is maybe a nazi.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
so our nuanced context sensitive analysis lets us identify people as alt-right who we already know are alt-right but you know sooner or later a DudeB is going to get set on fire
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
Thanks. This is what I was trying to get at, but was missing the words.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @chaosprime and
Thanks for expressing your concerns. I strongly believe this is not a thing that will happen in the US, and if you think we're close to people getting necklaced for having once flashed an ok sign you should seek help.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @Jimityjam and
we should definitely wait until that's the risk level before raising an objection
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Replying to @chaosprime @Jimityjam and
Maybe we can focus on how the people using that symbol as a subcultural signifier are doing mass murders before jumping to this hypothetical? The risk level is currently 'someone makes mean tweet' and if you think that leads to necklacing here you need to show your work.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @chaosprime and
I thought you said that was a strawman. That you don't really believe talking, promoting or censoring the symbol would have any effect on actual murders. No effect on actual murders, small effect on mean tweets. The balance is in favor of not paying attention to the symbol.
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Replying to @lordcataplanga @chaosprime and
What? This in incoherent, all I said was I don't advocate for banning the symbol. That doesn't mean we can't notice that, say, Trump admin officials are using it in the same context (right wing ingroup signifier) as mass murderers .
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sure. i'm saying that the important thing there is the alignment of cause, not the hand signal, and the more anxiety gets cathected into the hand signal the less context sensitive the reaction to it becomes and the more innocent people are going to get fucked up
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Replying to @chaosprime @lordcataplanga and
so youre not arguing that we ignore the handsign, just yelling into the void at some imaginary person who thinks we should fuck anyone who uses it up. You realize that creating this impression was the whole point of the
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @chaosprime and
have you considered just ignoring the overreaction-producing gesture without ignoring things like, say, policy positions, actions, statements? You know, all the things one would use if OK gesture was never invented (and thus never a part of any channer op)
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