I literally don't see anything in this thread or the original one to do with "banning" the sign. Just applying social implications to it, which would only serve to fuck with a large portion of the normal population. Seems like a bad idea to me.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
Like, what does it accomplish? DudeA: flashes ok, also talks about european identity DudeB: flashes ok. DudeA is a whitesoup due to context, but the identifier's already there in the other action. Making ok a "maybe" signifier only makes dim people think dudeB is maybe a nazi.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
so our nuanced context sensitive analysis lets us identify people as alt-right who we already know are alt-right but you know sooner or later a DudeB is going to get set on fire
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Replying to @chaosprime @Jimityjam and
And because of this you are, what, arguing that we commit to ignoring this thing that's obviously used as a contextual ingroup signifier? I just don't get what actual position you're advocating for, here.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @Jimityjam and
less "commit to ignoring" than "calm the fuck down" the more people work themselves into a tizzy about the evil hand signs, the sooner we get the first "wore a red shirt into a crips neighborhood" incident
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
i think mass murder is well past the point at which a symbol can be salvaged it happens, symbols get corrupted, such is life
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Replying to @DSA_Omelas @hikikomorphism and
imagine identifying the important part of these events as the hand sign
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
symbols are one of the most important parts of movements, yes symbols have incredible power
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Replying to @DSA_Omelas @hikikomorphism and
remember when there was a left that analyzed material conditions first yeah me neither
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
to be clear, as someone whose culture has used the swastika as a symbol for good fortune for thousands of years, i don't actually like it but it is what it is, and i deal with it
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i suppose given that the "okay" hand sign has been used as the official symbol and flag of a belligerent nation in a world war that conducted industrial scale murder of millions of people we'll just have to accept randos who didn't get the memo as collateral damage oh wait
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
glad that our disagreement is merely about what the bar for a symbol to be corrupted is, have a nice day
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