That's a lot of extra words to say something does have an impact but that you still get to say I told you so. I suspect you started with a conclusion and are scrambling to justify it after seeing a mass murderer flash the same sign you're invested in saying is no big deal.
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I mean, i barely understood all the sociology-lingo you two are throwing, but the way I see it, associating OK with WS is a pointless line of discussion, due to the many possible uses of the sign. Most of us aren't going to give up using it just because a buncha dingbats do too.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
Like, I'm a lifelong SCUBA diver. The OK symbol is the universal sign for "are you ok?". I'm never going to stop using it. It's part of ASL as well. So what's the point in giving it up to the huwite soups?
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
I think
@chaosprime made the point of far rightists basically claiming shit by licking it. Basically accepting the whole ok sign thing seems fruitless, because you could never use it to accurately identify a skinhead. Much like being bald. Skinheads = bald, but bald != skinheads.2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes -
Replying to @Jimityjam @0K_ultra and
Yes, you could call having a shaved head a contextual signal. Subcultures love contextual signals. Noticing them helps us better understand these subcultures.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @Jimityjam and
This is literally just about people like y'all trying to claim that noticing things about a context dependent subcultural signifier means that one wishes to ban that signifier in all cases, which is dumb as fuck and a core part of the right wing messaging on this issue
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @0K_ultra and
I literally don't see anything in this thread or the original one to do with "banning" the sign. Just applying social implications to it, which would only serve to fuck with a large portion of the normal population. Seems like a bad idea to me.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
Like, what does it accomplish? DudeA: flashes ok, also talks about european identity DudeB: flashes ok. DudeA is a whitesoup due to context, but the identifier's already there in the other action. Making ok a "maybe" signifier only makes dim people think dudeB is maybe a nazi.
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Replying to @Jimityjam @hikikomorphism and
so our nuanced context sensitive analysis lets us identify people as alt-right who we already know are alt-right but you know sooner or later a DudeB is going to get set on fire
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Replying to @chaosprime @Jimityjam and
And because of this you are, what, arguing that we commit to ignoring this thing that's obviously used as a contextual ingroup signifier? I just don't get what actual position you're advocating for, here.
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less "commit to ignoring" than "calm the fuck down" the more people work themselves into a tizzy about the evil hand signs, the sooner we get the first "wore a red shirt into a crips neighborhood" incident
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Replying to @chaosprime @hikikomorphism and
i think mass murder is well past the point at which a symbol can be salvaged it happens, symbols get corrupted, such is life
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Replying to @DSA_Omelas @hikikomorphism and
imagine identifying the important part of these events as the hand sign
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