wait how the fuck did you trick me into arguing deontology while you argue virtue ethics + consequentialism oh right you're a wizard
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
bazinga! you tricked yourself. arguing ethics + consequentialism is my usual framing.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
the trouble with virtue + consequentialism is that virtue can be faked, in fact the incentives demand that it is, and consequences can too though not always as easily, so the position has two legs to stand on one of which is actually a snake and the other of which has rickets
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
I kind of think that consequences can't be reliably faked on an arbitrary timeframe, only on a particular sufficiently small one.
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Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and
tell that to my ex who still thinks to this day that how much it hurts her for Keith DeCandido of all fucking people to have broken up with her demonstrates that he is wrong to have done it and should change his rotten ways
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
each individual word is known to me yet the sequence contains no identifiable message. More seriously I don't know enough about Keith or your ex to even identify who is in the business of faking consequences here.
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Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and
basically this was the most over-the-top example imaginable of someone unambiguously farming their own suffering in the attempt to use it to coerce someone else into doing their bidding amazing what just knowing with certainty that people are like that does to your politics
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Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra and
Checking for understanding: So (having googled Keith) a star trek novel author dumped your ex and your ex articulated that as a GROSS INJUSTICE to get you to do what she wanted?
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yes, but only as a device toward getting Keith to do what she wanted
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
wait, so the scheme operated like "tell you about her suffering so you would do stuff so that guy would want to come back to her so she can break up with you and come back to him"?
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not the breaking up with me part, we hadn't been together for a long time at that point and were just friends, but using me as a plague carrier, sure see, the rules in the relevant social circles are we care about people who are hurt, so if she hurts enough she gets her way
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Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra and
and dgmw, she was suffering, exactly the same way as if somebody repeatedly pokes themselves in the chest and abdomen with a sharp needle they'll suffer
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Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra and
i am struggling to follow this .___. BUT IT SOUNDS VASTLY COMPLICATED AND HOPEFULLY U ARE IN A BETTER PLACE NOW
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