weirdly my count is different has anybody proffered a definition? apparently severe, debilitating bodily injury isn't harm if we consider the subject to be better off for it. why you'd want so exploitable a definition idk, but is there more to it?
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
Intent + outcome which I thought was implied in my prior post
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
wait how the fuck did you trick me into arguing deontology while you argue virtue ethics + consequentialism oh right you're a wizard
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
bazinga! you tricked yourself. arguing ethics + consequentialism is my usual framing.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
the trouble with virtue + consequentialism is that virtue can be faked, in fact the incentives demand that it is, and consequences can too though not always as easily, so the position has two legs to stand on one of which is actually a snake and the other of which has rickets
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
I kind of think that consequences can't be reliably faked on an arbitrary timeframe, only on a particular sufficiently small one.
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Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and
tell that to my ex who still thinks to this day that how much it hurts her for Keith DeCandido of all fucking people to have broken up with her demonstrates that he is wrong to have done it and should change his rotten ways
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
each individual word is known to me yet the sequence contains no identifiable message. More seriously I don't know enough about Keith or your ex to even identify who is in the business of faking consequences here.
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Replying to @0K_ultra @danlistensto and
basically this was the most over-the-top example imaginable of someone unambiguously farming their own suffering in the attempt to use it to coerce someone else into doing their bidding amazing what just knowing with certainty that people are like that does to your politics
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Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra and
Checking for understanding: So (having googled Keith) a star trek novel author dumped your ex and your ex articulated that as a GROSS INJUSTICE to get you to do what she wanted?
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yes, but only as a device toward getting Keith to do what she wanted
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