weirdly my count is different has anybody proffered a definition? apparently severe, debilitating bodily injury isn't harm if we consider the subject to be better off for it. why you'd want so exploitable a definition idk, but is there more to it?
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
Intent + outcome which I thought was implied in my prior post
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
wait how the fuck did you trick me into arguing deontology while you argue virtue ethics + consequentialism oh right you're a wizard
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
bazinga! you tricked yourself. arguing ethics + consequentialism is my usual framing.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
the trouble with virtue + consequentialism is that virtue can be faked, in fact the incentives demand that it is, and consequences can too though not always as easily, so the position has two legs to stand on one of which is actually a snake and the other of which has rickets
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i mean, nobody likes watching Kant get kicked around more than me, but we do have reasons for considering acts in themselves and *then* placing them in context
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the deontological position is that we must discover objective rules by which we evaluate the acts themselves. how do you propose we do that?
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
haphazardly and muddlingly, of course. obviously i'm proposing a system where cutting big holes in somebody is considered harmful and if you're doing it you better have a fuckin' good reason
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
I doubt there is any disagreement here that competently performed surgery is not unethical. the competence of the surgeon is a measure of their virtue (in the domain of surgery). the success of the surgery is a measure of the net positive consequences of the procedure.
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and
why do we not deontological rules? seems covered already.
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we might need them more when trying to reason from this well-known and well-established ethical scenario to strange territory
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
that is exactly when they are most likely to fail. rules are context-bound. change the context and expect the rules to be inappropriate.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
i doubt you'd claim that we should therefore stay out of strange territory. shouldn't we then bring as many weapons as we can carry?
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