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    1. Delysis‏ @delysis Feb 20
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      No, it doesn’t. Medical mistakes are harmful and not malicious. I agree with you that unconscious harm is a bigger problem (at least in many contexts and probably on net) than conscious harm, but a successful surgery (onethat leaves the patient better off) isn’t either of those.

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      two surgeons: one understands himself to be causing me a harm so he can do what he needs to do, doing it, and then doing his best to rectify the harm, which i will still have to recover from one understands himself to not be doing me any harm #2? keep that psycho away from me

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    3. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto Feb 20
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      clinging to a definition of harm that nobody here is using

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      weirdly my count is different has anybody proffered a definition? apparently severe, debilitating bodily injury isn't harm if we consider the subject to be better off for it. why you'd want so exploitable a definition idk, but is there more to it?

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    5. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto Feb 20
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      Intent + outcome which I thought was implied in my prior post

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      wait how the fuck did you trick me into arguing deontology while you argue virtue ethics + consequentialism oh right you're a wizard

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    7. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto Feb 20
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      bazinga! you tricked yourself. arguing ethics + consequentialism is my usual framing.

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      the trouble with virtue + consequentialism is that virtue can be faked, in fact the incentives demand that it is, and consequences can too though not always as easily, so the position has two legs to stand on one of which is actually a snake and the other of which has rickets

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      i mean, nobody likes watching Kant get kicked around more than me, but we do have reasons for considering acts in themselves and *then* placing them in context

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    10. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto Feb 20
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      the deontological position is that we must discover objective rules by which we evaluate the acts themselves. how do you propose we do that?

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 20
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      haphazardly and muddlingly, of course. obviously i'm proposing a system where cutting big holes in somebody is considered harmful and if you're doing it you better have a fuckin' good reason

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        2. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto Feb 20
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          I doubt there is any disagreement here that competently performed surgery is not unethical. the competence of the surgeon is a measure of their virtue (in the domain of surgery). the success of the surgery is a measure of the net positive consequences of the procedure.

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        1. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Feb 20
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          The reason of course is expectation of net benefit, ideally backed by legally registered confidence of the patient in same benefits

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