defining surgery as non-harm just reduces "harm" to a tautology because it only occurs with malice, which is demonstrated by the existence of the harm. so your guru could never have harmed you because he has no malice in him
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
No, it doesn’t. Medical mistakes are harmful and not malicious. I agree with you that unconscious harm is a bigger problem (at least in many contexts and probably on net) than conscious harm, but a successful surgery (onethat leaves the patient better off) isn’t either of those.
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Replying to @delysis @danlistensto and
two surgeons: one understands himself to be causing me a harm so he can do what he needs to do, doing it, and then doing his best to rectify the harm, which i will still have to recover from one understands himself to not be doing me any harm #2? keep that psycho away from me
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
clinging to a definition of harm that nobody here is using
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
weirdly my count is different has anybody proffered a definition? apparently severe, debilitating bodily injury isn't harm if we consider the subject to be better off for it. why you'd want so exploitable a definition idk, but is there more to it?
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
Intent + outcome which I thought was implied in my prior post
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
wait how the fuck did you trick me into arguing deontology while you argue virtue ethics + consequentialism oh right you're a wizard
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
bazinga! you tricked yourself. arguing ethics + consequentialism is my usual framing.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
the trouble with virtue + consequentialism is that virtue can be faked, in fact the incentives demand that it is, and consequences can too though not always as easily, so the position has two legs to stand on one of which is actually a snake and the other of which has rickets
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
I kind of think that consequences can't be reliably faked on an arbitrary timeframe, only on a particular sufficiently small one.
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tell that to my ex who still thinks to this day that how much it hurts her for Keith DeCandido of all fucking people to have broken up with her demonstrates that he is wrong to have done it and should change his rotten ways
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