what us real folks have access to is a limited subset of phenomena that includes, at least partially, our own intentions and attempts to understand the consequences of actions made according to those intentions. mistakes are forgivable. malice is not.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
intentional harm isn't the same thing as malice, or doctors would have to actually obey the terms of their Hippocratic oaths and not perform surgery
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
surgery isn't harm, though it might produce pain
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
strong disagree; saying that someone with their chest cavity cracked open has not been harmed is, to use the technical term, fuckin' goofy. it's purposive harm
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
Uh, not if its saving their life! Hurt, sure, not harmed if it isn’t taking on infection and the doc puts everything back together correctly.
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Replying to @delysis @danlistensto and
harm that's remedied isn't harm that hasn't taken place neither is harm that's better than the alternative. the doctor doesn't put your gangrenous hand back together at all
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
defining surgery as non-harm just reduces "harm" to a tautology because it only occurs with malice, which is demonstrated by the existence of the harm. so your guru could never have harmed you because he has no malice in him
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
No, it doesn’t. Medical mistakes are harmful and not malicious. I agree with you that unconscious harm is a bigger problem (at least in many contexts and probably on net) than conscious harm, but a successful surgery (onethat leaves the patient better off) isn’t either of those.
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Replying to @delysis @danlistensto and
two surgeons: one understands himself to be causing me a harm so he can do what he needs to do, doing it, and then doing his best to rectify the harm, which i will still have to recover from one understands himself to not be doing me any harm #2? keep that psycho away from me
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
clinging to a definition of harm that nobody here is using
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weirdly my count is different has anybody proffered a definition? apparently severe, debilitating bodily injury isn't harm if we consider the subject to be better off for it. why you'd want so exploitable a definition idk, but is there more to it?
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
Intent + outcome which I thought was implied in my prior post
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