yet man is born into trouble as surely as the sparks fly upward
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and
if you act upon a person and it causes them discomfort and they cry "harm! harm!" at you you might not have harmed them because people are not good at evaluating their own state or the consequences of actions done by or to themselves.
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and
the mythical "enlightened being" can discern the difference between false claims of having been harmed vs authentic suffering due to real harm. real humans are perplexed and defeated when trying to make this discernment.
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and
what us real folks have access to is a limited subset of phenomena that includes, at least partially, our own intentions and attempts to understand the consequences of actions made according to those intentions. mistakes are forgivable. malice is not.
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
intentional harm isn't the same thing as malice, or doctors would have to actually obey the terms of their Hippocratic oaths and not perform surgery
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Replying to @chaosprime @delysis and
surgery isn't harm, though it might produce pain
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Replying to @danlistensto @delysis and
strong disagree; saying that someone with their chest cavity cracked open has not been harmed is, to use the technical term, fuckin' goofy. it's purposive harm
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
Uh, not if its saving their life! Hurt, sure, not harmed if it isn’t taking on infection and the doc puts everything back together correctly.
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Replying to @delysis @danlistensto and
harm that's remedied isn't harm that hasn't taken place neither is harm that's better than the alternative. the doctor doesn't put your gangrenous hand back together at all
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto and
If the activity is of net benefit to a patient, that isn’t harmful on net, even though there are costs, like pain, money, and recovery time. But maybe we just have very different conceptions of harm.
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"not net harmful" got dragged as different from "not harmful" by no less than Epicurus
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