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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 2
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      the only opioid crisis is the one where we put poison in our pain relief drugs because an easily statistically calculable number of people with chronic pain just fucking dying is regarded as morally preferable to an imagined number of people with chronic pain feeling too good

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    2.  👑 King Jerusalem  👑‏ @MobSpider Feb 3
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      This always fucks me up. I had a lecturer who literally described paracetamol/acetaminophen as a "Hepatotoxic compound added to prevent opiate abuse," during one of the lessons. And everyone just accepted it, even i did at the time.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 3
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      Chaos Retweeted Aaron Lief

      and why not, everybody knows that Opiate Abuse is a Crisis that we must Do Something About, it's on every news outlet i guess this miserable fucking apologist over here didn't have the same instructor as you thoughhttps://twitter.com/AaronLief/status/1091867736043442176 …

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      It's scary easy to overdose on pure narcotics such as morphine and hydrocodone. 200mg for morphine vs 90mg for hydrocodone vs 12,0000 mg for acetaminophen. Combination allows a lower dose of both and is safer. pic.twitter.com/fYD0CZznTs
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    4. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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      I can see why you would come to that conclusion. I personally believe in decriminalization of drugs, and acetaminophen is only a negative when opioids are used recreationally. But the acute patient has seen a decrease in opioid mortality due to combination drugs such as these.pic.twitter.com/wFZRnahgmZ

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 3
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      "only a negative when opioids are used recreationally" i'm sure this woman's next of kin are greatly comforted knowing that she died to to the moral vice involved in her recreational self-treatment for fluhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042947/Woman-25-dies-paracetamol-overdose-self-medicating-Lemsip-cough-medicine-pills-cold.html …

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    6. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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      I'm not clear on your point here? That isnt an opioid. In my original tweet I stated acetaminophen can kill you in large doses. Opioids will kill you in much smaller doses.

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    7. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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      Almost any pharmaceutical will kill you in large enough doses. But the synergistic effect of opioid/NSAID combos allow you to take a lower dose of each for greater pain relief, reducing the negative side effects of both the NSAID and the opioid.

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 3
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      incoherent with "hepatotoxic compound added to prevent opiate abuse" incoherent with predominant choice of high toxicity acetaminophen over low toxicity ibuprofen and naproxen

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    9. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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      I think were missing a bit of the nuance here with broad sweeping statements. NSAID addition to "reduce abuse" was because studies found that if you prescribe a lower dose then people are less likely to get addicted, and by adding NSAID you can give less opioid. Not to kill ppl.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 3
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      a position that leaves the choice of a high toxicity agent over multiple available low toxicity agents unmotivated, with the only thing certain being that the murderously moralistic anti-drug culture that has animated US policy for decades magically had nothing to do with it

      12:07 PM - 3 Feb 2019
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        2. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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          Ibuprofen and other options are nephrotoxic. It's a choice between immediate respiratory failure (opioid), long term liver damage (acetaminophen) and long term kidney damage (most other NSAIDs). All pharmaceuticals are poison, were just trying to use them carefully.

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        3. Aaron Lief‏ @AaronLief Feb 3
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          I think we agree on the core issue. It should be at the doctor's discretion to prescribe combination or non-combination opioids depending on the individual patient without fearing reprisal.

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