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    1. nice‏ @mutual_ayyde Feb 1
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      nice Retweeted Jacobite

      oh fuck yes traditionalists are going to start arguing for economic planning and everyone is going literally go mad while I get to feel smug for predicting a black swanhttps://twitter.com/jacobitemag/status/1091212846426292224 …

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      Jacobite @jacobitemag
      "There is a story about a higher-up at the Heritage Foundation, upon learning of G.K Chesterton’s political philosophy of distributism, lamented that a man so great turned out to be a pinko." | @RyanKhurana https://jacobitemag.com/2019/02/01/alexandra-ocasio-cortez-and-the-death-of-american-conservatism/ …
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    2. The Anarcho-Accelerationist‏ @acc_anarcho Feb 1
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      Why would they start arguing for economic planning? I'm confused

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    3. nice‏ @mutual_ayyde Feb 1
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      *the benefits of capitalist / market rationality bleed over into other areas and erode tradition *markets act as routing mechanisms to deliver goods that more trad societies would outlaw *markets tend to give agency to those who don't have it, planning enforces hierarchy better

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    4. nice‏ @mutual_ayyde Feb 1
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      many trads argue for markets because they think that they can win at them and maintain hierarchy. LWMA theory shows that's only sustainable via govt intervention and even then its prone to disruption (hence more govt). Planning theoretically removes that problem

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    5. The Anarcho-Accelerationist‏ @acc_anarcho Feb 1
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      I dispute the third point, I think that markets recapitulate whatever power dynamics are encoded in the underlying property norms. Regardless, wouldn't they just argue for more and more intervention? I can't picture a trad/react argument for planning. What would that look like?

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    6. nice‏ @mutual_ayyde Feb 1
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      I mean duh obviously markets are influenced by power dynamics involved but their complexity reaches beyond those dynamics and creates an incredibly dynamic terrain on which social conflict is fought. The technology involved shapes how markets operate, states can only do so much

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    7. nice‏ @mutual_ayyde Feb 1
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      as for trad planning, the jacobite article references Chesterton who was a distributist. Dunno if they'd go so far as to try and build trad cybersyn (although that would be glorious) but I'm sure you can justify central planning 4 social order in bible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism …

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 1
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      the bible being about 30% economic planning for social order by volume would seem to support this

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    9. The Anarcho-Accelerationist‏ @acc_anarcho Feb 1
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      Yeah, but a fair amount of the economic planning would have to be reinterpreted for a post-industrial order. And contradicts itself in places. Are you supposed to listen to deuteronomy, or acts? Somehow reconcile the two?

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Feb 1
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      you do what everybody does with the bible: do what you were going to do anyway and then pick a few verses that can be spun to support that

      7:52 AM - 1 Feb 2019
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        2. The Anarcho-Accelerationist‏ @acc_anarcho Feb 1
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          Well, that gets us nowhere in predicting trad/react behavior. It simply returns to the original question. And, given that christians are not currently widely known to be advocates of economic planning - and, even in the middle ages, mostly only ventured into forbidding usury and

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        3. The Anarcho-Accelerationist‏ @acc_anarcho Feb 1
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          setting prices (as well as more or less eliminating capital markets for all high-value items) its hard to say that anything of the sort will happen.

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