there's just been a whole lot of excessive "NYTimes opinion page writing" on this topic in both the literal and figurative sense of the phrase
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it is really not the case that the median environmentalist position on the issue is anywhere within 10000 miles of
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if you go back a little ways my prior beliefs and biases are "omg we have to save the planet", i didn't grow up in a libertarian breeding enclave the median isn't Ted K sure but the median is willing to pump the brakes as hard as it takes for ~sustainability~
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they just haven't done the math so don't realize there's no limit to how hard that means
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at the end of the day the *moral rightness* that environmentalists burn with reveals that the emotional underpinning of the whole thing is the reflexive eternalism we all have bred into us, which obviously is understandable but that doesn't make it less dumbshit
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the overwhelming imperative is to stabilize things so they can keep going on, and the moral reasoning stops there in a big warm puddle of reward chemicals, never making it to the fact that on a long enough timeline the probability of things going on drops to zero
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possibly demanding stark confrontation with the abyss as a minimum bar for seriousness of opinion is high expectations on my part but i believe in all of you
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I think we can discuss our preferences for when, and in what form, we face the abyss. It can be 10000 years from now when we have to decide if we still count as Earth Humans anymore or it can be, like, 80 years from now in an apocalyptic war for the remaining arable land
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right, except that the unlimited pumping the brakes that will occur because oh whoops how hard we pumped the brakes last time still didn't repeal the second law means that in ten thousand years we'll absolutely be earth humans and fuck that honestly
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ok, here's an environmentalist accelerationist position then: fossil fuels are a limiting factor no matter how you slice it, even if you ignore the environmental damage. it's a strictly limited resource. "sustainable" also means "viable for upscaling".
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sure, which says "use them for bootstrapping" to me, not "ration them so that nothing useful gets done with them for as long as possible" does it? because that gets hella lost in the discourse if so
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again, my prior point about NYTimes opinion page moral masturbation stands. the actual high-leverage policy makers are doing exactly what you describe. observe the energy policies of China and Germany.
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