the pure and good people are worse than the grifters because the "good" that animates them is bucket crab homeostasis maintenance
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So being sincerely dedicated to homeostasis as applied to the life support system we all rely on is.. bad? Incandescent take.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @eigenrobot
insofar as people are willing or enthused to murder the baby (technical civilization) so that it doesn't get the bathwater (idk a bunch of trees and shit) dirty, yes which is like 98% of the Movement
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I don't think 98% is an accurate statement and that you have probably been exposed to outrage-mongering on this subject consistent with your prior beliefs and biases
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there's just been a whole lot of excessive "NYTimes opinion page writing" on this topic in both the literal and figurative sense of the phrase
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it is really not the case that the median environmentalist position on the issue is anywhere within 10000 miles of
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if you go back a little ways my prior beliefs and biases are "omg we have to save the planet", i didn't grow up in a libertarian breeding enclave the median isn't Ted K sure but the median is willing to pump the brakes as hard as it takes for ~sustainability~
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they just haven't done the math so don't realize there's no limit to how hard that means
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at the end of the day the *moral rightness* that environmentalists burn with reveals that the emotional underpinning of the whole thing is the reflexive eternalism we all have bred into us, which obviously is understandable but that doesn't make it less dumbshit
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the overwhelming imperative is to stabilize things so they can keep going on, and the moral reasoning stops there in a big warm puddle of reward chemicals, never making it to the fact that on a long enough timeline the probability of things going on drops to zero
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possibly demanding stark confrontation with the abyss as a minimum bar for seriousness of opinion is high expectations on my part but i believe in all of you
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I think we can discuss our preferences for when, and in what form, we face the abyss. It can be 10000 years from now when we have to decide if we still count as Earth Humans anymore or it can be, like, 80 years from now in an apocalyptic war for the remaining arable land
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right, except that the unlimited pumping the brakes that will occur because oh whoops how hard we pumped the brakes last time still didn't repeal the second law means that in ten thousand years we'll absolutely be earth humans and fuck that honestly
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