let's say hope in general, proposing that the existence of hope is a signal of a gap between what you're doing (which may be pro forma so you can say you're doing something and excuse yourself) and the real work n.b. this is my perpetual epistemic statushttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/798581293554356224 …
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Replying to @chaosprime
what about doing the hard work to make a situation better (or attempting to) while hoping that it works out?
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Replying to @servelius_servo
if i'm on the trail of anything legitimate here, then the best way to proceed would be to eliminate the hope part in favor of diligence, trying to get to the point where you know you've done what you can and there's nothing left to do but let go of the result
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Replying to @chaosprime @servelius_servo
i think i'm comfortable claiming that hope is not letting go of the result because it's subliminally an attempt to manipulate the universe emotionally
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Replying to @chaosprime
this seems like attempting to impose a utilitarian view to things that are at their core illogical. however, it's existence can lead to the adoption of positive actions (putting in the real work). so calling it mental illness is a bit of a stretch. is this a thought experiment?
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Replying to @servelius_servo @chaosprime
some of your takes seem more like hypothesis' intended to create interesting discussions. am I right in thinking this?
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Replying to @servelius_servo
see disjoint reply but also jeez just tell everybody my secrets whydontcha
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Replying to @chaosprime
i saw it, yeah. I just wonder and had to ask because you are a smart fella but MAN do I feel dumb and completely trolled by some of your posts but they never seem like what an /actual/ shitty person (read: navel gazing 4channer) would say so I dunno! had to ask.
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Replying to @servelius_servo @chaosprime
just realized this sounds a bit like I'm being conscending!!! im not trying to insult, honest.
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Replying to @servelius_servo
oh it didn't seem like you were at all! no worries
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like yeah i have a kind of trollish methodology but i'm an honest troll, i'm never just saying stupid shit i don't believe so i can point and laugh if you engage with it, i'm saying stupid shit i think has some kind of value, maybe more than what we're normally asked to believe
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Replying to @chaosprime
when it's done in that fashion I tend to think of it as a level other than just stupid shit - hence why I didn't want to try to devalue it. But to get back on topic: I do think that 'hope' is a little over used and emphasized but I like to think of it like the irrational engine-
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Replying to @servelius_servo @chaosprime
from which the rest of a person's actions are derived from. there usually has to be the idea of a positive outcome in some shape or form.
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