hope is a mental disorder where you convince yourself that you don't need to do the hard or painful things you'd need to do to increase your actual chances of getting what you want because maybe it'll just happen by magichttps://www.vox.com/2018/12/27/18137571/what-is-hopepunk-noblebright-grimdark …
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Replying to @chaosprime
whew that's a big take. do you mean hope in general or the "wishful-thinking-but-not-doing," kind of hope?
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let's say hope in general, proposing that the existence of hope is a signal of a gap between what you're doing (which may be pro forma so you can say you're doing something and excuse yourself) and the real work n.b. this is my perpetual epistemic statushttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/798581293554356224 …
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what about doing the hard work to make a situation better (or attempting to) while hoping that it works out?
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if i'm on the trail of anything legitimate here, then the best way to proceed would be to eliminate the hope part in favor of diligence, trying to get to the point where you know you've done what you can and there's nothing left to do but let go of the result
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i think i'm comfortable claiming that hope is not letting go of the result because it's subliminally an attempt to manipulate the universe emotionally
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this seems like attempting to impose a utilitarian view to things that are at their core illogical. however, it's existence can lead to the adoption of positive actions (putting in the real work). so calling it mental illness is a bit of a stretch. is this a thought experiment?
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i guess you could call it that, it's the thing i do a lot where i get annoyed by some shitty trope that's protected by cultural piety and assert a violent contradiction of it to see what truth value can be mined from that ground
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Replying to @chaosprime @servelius_servo
Textbook example of rationalism ran amok. If basic elements of human psychology cannot fit into a framework, then maybe it's the framework that's messed up, not humans.
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