the Grant Morrison / Alan Moore beef is so wonderful that if it did not exist we would have to invent it, which is presumably why Morrison did
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Replying to @chaosprime
Morrison is right about Watchmen though. It is extraordinarily heavy-handed in its authorial presence and that makes it tiring to read.
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime
sure, sure, but compare it to other junk in the era!
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Replying to @PereGrimmer @chaosprime
Claremont run on Uncanny X-Men and Byrne run on Man of Steel? Frank Miller deconstructing the genre in his own way? Fucking THE INVISIBLES?!?!? There were a lot of good books in that era. Watchmen got famous for reasons I still don't understand. It's good, but it's not that good
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime
You're seriously going to rag on Watchmen for being hamfisted then cite fucking Frank Miller?!
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Replying to @PereGrimmer @chaosprime
Frank Miller is outrageously ham fisted but he makes that his actual aesthetic. Alan Moore is usually far more subtle. His usual style includes tons of veiled references and subterranean character developments. Not so much in Watchmen.
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Miller's work doesn't reek of authorial intervention the way Watchmen does. It just has a very deliberate (and, like, testosterone poisoned) style to it that feels internally consistent.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
so Moore's sin is in positing a "realistic" worldview and then authorially interfering with it to get it to make his points where Miller just authorially interferes at the level of fundamental ontology which is better?
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Replying to @chaosprime @PereGrimmer
yes, precisely. I don't call Miller's aestheic authorial intervention. The author is [correctly] invisible/inaudible. Instead, we see and hear the _narrator_ which is how things should be. Watchmen's narrator is just Moore and Gibbons trying to brain worm you.
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Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime
But maybe they wanted it to be like that, on a meta-level, since the whole point of _Watchmen_ is that forced narratives might be essential social functioning!
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have either of you read A God Somewhere? it's a ~realistic~ take that definitely makes a novel point but felt to me more like the authors were doing the math than otherwise
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Replying to @chaosprime @danlistensto
Nope. seems heart-wrenching. May check it out when I have fewer real-life heart-wrenching things to handle.
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Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto
good call, it's not light reading
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