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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2018
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      the Grant Morrison / Alan Moore beef is so wonderful that if it did not exist we would have to invent it, which is presumably why Morrison did

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    2. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 12 Dec 2018
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      Morrison is right about Watchmen though. It is extraordinarily heavy-handed in its authorial presence and that makes it tiring to read.

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    3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 12 Dec 2018
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      sure, sure, but compare it to other junk in the era!

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    4. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 12 Dec 2018
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      Claremont run on Uncanny X-Men and Byrne run on Man of Steel? Frank Miller deconstructing the genre in his own way? Fucking THE INVISIBLES?!?!? There were a lot of good books in that era. Watchmen got famous for reasons I still don't understand. It's good, but it's not that good

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    5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 12 Dec 2018
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      You're seriously going to rag on Watchmen for being hamfisted then cite fucking Frank Miller?!

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    6. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 12 Dec 2018
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      Frank Miller is outrageously ham fisted but he makes that his actual aesthetic. Alan Moore is usually far more subtle. His usual style includes tons of veiled references and subterranean character developments. Not so much in Watchmen.

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    7. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 12 Dec 2018
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      Miller's work doesn't reek of authorial intervention the way Watchmen does. It just has a very deliberate (and, like, testosterone poisoned) style to it that feels internally consistent.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2018
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      so Moore's sin is in positing a "realistic" worldview and then authorially interfering with it to get it to make his points where Miller just authorially interferes at the level of fundamental ontology which is better?

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        2. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 12 Dec 2018
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          yes, precisely. I don't call Miller's aestheic authorial intervention. The author is [correctly] invisible/inaudible. Instead, we see and hear the _narrator_ which is how things should be. Watchmen's narrator is just Moore and Gibbons trying to brain worm you.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2018
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          at least Miller's characters narrate their punches in captions instead of word balloons like Claremont's

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        1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 12 Dec 2018
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          Put that way it seems a pretty valid objection, as the former is misleading in a way the latter is not.

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