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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      this: hierarchies of moral significance by neural similarity to the speaker prey morality: construction by analogy with Nietzschean slave morality

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    2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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      The scale is not similarly to me, the scale is an objective measure of complexity / sophistication. Humans happen to be the highest such being on this planet at the moment. But, denial of such an objective measure works well with the implied “power-only” moral relativism.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      which end of the scale you consider more important reveals the way similarity to you was snuck in the back way

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    4. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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      You’re not great at guessing my justifications.😌

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      working hard at finding a way to live with it

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    6. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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      Matt Guttman Retweeted Chaos

      I’m curious about your actual views, though. Is chauvinism supposed to be a moral commentary? But I though morality was subjective and determined by power relations alone? Did you somehow get the idea that I’m advocating that progressive gobblety-gook?https://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1069645685123895296?s=20 …

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      prioritizing lifeforms based on how similar they are to you is just blatant chauvinism by basic progressive values, uplifting of the most oppressed, the greatest commitment is demanded for protection of the most oppressed lifeforms, which is to say, plants, fungi, and bacteria
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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      my actual views are that we are the apex predators of this planet and we should work out how to understand ourselves healthily in that context instead of recoiling from it because we want to be nice like the soft harmless prey animals

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    8. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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      Okay, but then what determines whether the way we “understand ourselves” is “healthy” or not? It seems like that criteria will become the true morality from which to judge the “how to understand” described in the first part.

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      my personal intuition so yeah that works out well for me

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    10. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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      Okay, sure. But then, it’s not really a moral framework, right? It’s just a more complicated way of resolving all moral questions by referring to your personal intuition.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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      Chaos Retweeted Chaos

      so, the best possible moral frameworkhttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1067823910702350336 …

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      nobody should ever reason about ethics the only ethical guides anyone should accept are the natural and holistic human emotions of "seems legit" and "what the fuck"
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        2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 Dec 2018
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          Mostly agree with that heuristic! But, I think you’re overvaluing the heuristic because you’re jaded by ideologues who ignore that heuristic. Our minds are the most complex things in the known universe. Intuitions are a good place to start asking “why do I feel that way?”

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2018
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          your analysis is unironically impeccable while my formulation is of course hyperbolic, i have learned to trust the quiet parts of myself better than the yappity yappity parts, though

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