all that seems super sensible to me, what i don't get is how, if you grant a moral value to animals living or dying and therefore we should be nice to them because milquetoast values etc, the extremist PETA-skipping-the-hypocrisy position is wrong
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Replying to @chaosprime
PETA's is largely based on arbitrary values that make no sense. IE, cats tend to enjoy being fed and being warm, inside. They don't seem to be disadvantaged or hurt by being pets, and it doesn't tend to be slavery as they aren't forced to work. Ergo, having cats isn't bad.
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Replying to @listmouse
the polemic i was recently exposed to regarding appears to essentially be that they do in fact work, providing whatever emotional value you get out of having them around, which makes them an "entertainment slave"
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Replying to @chaosprime
IMO that's a fairly stupid viewpoint. Watching clouds brings a lot of people joy. Does that mean the clouds are the slaves of the person viewing? Not really. Hell, most get emotional value from the absence of winter. (SAD) Does that mean summer is the slave of humanity?
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Replying to @listmouse
neither of those is a sentient being that you're keeping in your house though
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Replying to @chaosprime
Okay, extend it to birdwatchers. Are the birds slaves?
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Replying to @listmouse
i imagine not? i mean, i'm tryna advocate for the devil as hard as i can but this isn't my position, it's one i completely reject and am trying to work out the implications of rejecting
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Replying to @chaosprime
I imagine it's something about limiting their freedoms.
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Replying to @thirdmouse @chaosprime
It's kinda funny in this case tho 'cos what are they gonna do but go to a pound and get killed or adopted by someone who could be worse.
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Replying to @listmouse @chaosprime
hmm, actually, looks like PETA thinks death is better than a feral life, not out of concern for the ecosystem (which I would at least understand) but for the animal o_O
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yeah and fffffuuuuck that makes me seethe with rage
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Replying to @chaosprime @thirdmouse
they've been flat out killing them for years and imo we should replace the communist control act with the animal killers control act. much better use of copping imo.
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Replying to @listmouse @thirdmouse
if there's a law of conservation of copping (and evidence does not appear to exactly contradict the proposition) then that seems like a fine redistribution
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