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    1. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      That's only extremist shit, though. Like, sure you may like free software but you don't want to use something with the Open Watcom licence or whatever.

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2018
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      i do tend toward being the kind of idiot who thinks that if you aren't going to commit to the principle all the way then why bother with it at all though

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    3. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      I mean like, think of it like climate change action or whatev: do you really wanna stop all industrial progress to save the planet, or die because you did nothing? Nah nobody wants either so you go with a happy medium.

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    4. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      For example, my "principle" with being vegetarian is just that I don't want to kill animals unnecessarily because it seems wrong to me on a moral level. If it came down to it, it's based on what's necessary, so I'd end up eating meat.

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    5. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      This is how it is with most people who aren't full-on PETA level. (Who're massive hypocrites by the way, and shouldn't be trusted with anything. They even kill animals ffs.)

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    6. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      Also not having pets because it's slavery is kinda dumb. Go to a shelter, because they're literally going to die if someone doesn't adopt them and take care of them.

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2018
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      all that seems super sensible to me, what i don't get is how, if you grant a moral value to animals living or dying and therefore we should be nice to them because milquetoast values etc, the extremist PETA-skipping-the-hypocrisy position is wrong

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    8. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      PETA's is largely based on arbitrary values that make no sense. IE, cats tend to enjoy being fed and being warm, inside. They don't seem to be disadvantaged or hurt by being pets, and it doesn't tend to be slavery as they aren't forced to work. Ergo, having cats isn't bad.

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    9. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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      Also because milquetoast values isn't really what anyone's aiming for. You should be nice to them because they're still sentient creatures, if not intelligent ones, and can feel sad. Why make someone sad unnecessarily? And why hurt someone unnecessarily?

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    10. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2018
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      fair, but there's a card being palmed about the nature of necessity and whether it exists separately from volition. like, in your original example, the "necessity" of eating meat if no vegetables are available is up in the air; you could choose to die instead of eating meat

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2018
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      it isn't that you *have* to eat the meat, it's that you want to live more than you want to honor the value of the animal getting to live. i want to have a nice hamburger more than i want to honor the value of the animal getting to live. degree, not kind

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        2. #!‏ @listmouse 2 Dec 2018
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          (Sorry for the delay in replies; went to have a meal with a new friend.)

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2018
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          np i did stuff too :)

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