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    1. Andrew Doull‏ @andrewdoull 26 Nov 2018
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      There’s no evidence that this occurs in a competitive capitalist market until you can show me an example of a competitive capitalist market which can produce insulin this way. The markets that do this successfully are artificially created markets based on a public health system.

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    2. Andrew Doull‏ @andrewdoull 26 Nov 2018
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      You keep repeating statements like “this is a solved problem” and “it definitely can’t be capitalism” without any evidence to support those statements. All that tells me is you are deeply worried that the reverse hold true.

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    3. Brian Bucklew ₑͤ>∿<ₑͤ‏ @unormal 26 Nov 2018
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      Capitalism values things based on what people will pay for them, not what is 'correct' by any other metric, and what people will pay for their life is 'anything'. Therefore capitalism cannot value medicine correctly. Q.E.D.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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      enh it's what the market will bear in both directions if one guy will sell you your life for everything you own, and the other will sell it to you for everything you own minus one dollar, the problem then is if there isn't anybody who'll go one dollar lower than that

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    5. Brian Bucklew ₑͤ>∿<ₑͤ‏ @unormal 26 Nov 2018
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      In reality you just price fix at infinity, especially in a market with as stringent supply and IP restrictions as medicine.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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      right, those stringent supply and IP restrictions having been created to prevent market entrants from selling at cartel-breaking $(n-1) price points and sold as protections

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    7. Brian Bucklew ₑͤ>∿<ₑͤ‏ @unormal 26 Nov 2018
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      There are a few other goods that might bear 'infinity' on the demand side as the uppermost price; food and shelter. Unlike medicine, however, those have finite bounds because almost all people could produce those themselves given sufficient price pressure, unlike insulin/medicine

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    8. Brian Bucklew ₑͤ>∿<ₑͤ‏ @unormal 26 Nov 2018
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      So medicine is, I think, uniquely positioned as a good that breaks capitalism pretty hard.

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    9. Tegiminis‏ @tegiminis 26 Nov 2018
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      Big agree with Brian here. You cannot make educated market decisions about your health, because you have zero power in such an exchange, because you are automatically in a position of vulnerability

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    10. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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      i don't think that's immutable and i think there are vast cultural factors that are working to put people in that position that could be changed there's basically an asymmetry of sacrality

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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      the cultural value of the sacredness of life means that it's deeply *wrong* on a level most people can't articulate for the health care consumer to speak of price, much less quibble at it or shop around

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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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          but all the providers and insurers who also participated in that cultural value have been eliminated, so basically the function of the value is now to prevent people from resisting being gouged

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        2. Tegiminis‏ @tegiminis 26 Nov 2018
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          I think it is impossible to make a properly educated decision about your healthcare regardless of cultural values. Can you reasonably ask a man with a broken arm to decide on which doctor he wants to set it?

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 26 Nov 2018
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          it doesn't seem *that* impossible, but accepting that it's challenging there are extremely well-worn ways to in effect make the decision before your arm is broken when you can be more rational about it

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