talk page messages questioning notability aren't unusual but one form or another of proposal for deletion as opening overture is extremely normal in all topic areas. what i've seen so far is that "not perfect" was 1) a copy and paste of a web page then 2) a citation-free article
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Replying to @chaosprime
Eh. Neither would cause a speedy deletion of a new article on Sam Harris. I agree deleted articles that result in news can be that way, but they get news because the Wiki mindset that uses rules to short-circuit critical thinking is bad and insular in a way alien to most people.
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Replying to @lethargilistic
the uncited article might not, that's always a pure crapshoot, but the copypasta article on Sam Harris would be deleted to a high degree of certainty, copyvio is policed with an iron fist and automated tools yes, it's a highly developed system of metis and so very vulnerable
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Replying to @chaosprime
Even copyvio is not a hard rule for article deletion. Might be interesting to look for patterns in what articles are allowed to exist with copyvio. No, I'm not saying these 600 articles compares to the torrent of all incoming copypasta. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3AAll_copied_and_pasted_articles_and_sections …
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Replying to @lethargilistic
that's not a list of things "allowed to exist", it's a work queue of things that need to be inspected to determine whether they should exist
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Replying to @chaosprime
Same thing, especially in an environment where people fashion the rules as deterministic and objective.
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Replying to @lethargilistic
interpreting the fact that a bureaucratic process that exists for the sake of diligence in not letting automated tools make ham-fisted false-positive-prone judgments hasn't yet gotten to a flagged article as an endorsement of that article's existence isn't even *good* propaganda
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Replying to @chaosprime
All I'm saying is that someone deleted one of few women to have won a physics Nobel Prize, an obviously notable figure per WP's other guidelines, and the article was given less time to work through its issues than any of the things on that list which has some entries from 2014.
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Replying to @lethargilistic
so if the implied bias is determinative rather than this being a cherry-picked instance of a stochastic process vulnerable to hostile political interpretation, why are articles about Veronica de Klerk, Clarissa Pinkola Estés, Charlotte Kate Fox, and Ana Brnabić on that list?
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Replying to @chaosprime
I just linked it to show that copyvio articles exist and said it might be interesting to look for patterns. I did not say there were no women on the copyvio list.
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right, so you not only got to make the implication of dire misogynist bias manifest in the process for free, you got to make it immune to clear counterevidence
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