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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      Wikipedia process is loathsome but grievance farming about deletions of articles that didn't come close to meeting mind-bogglingly well-documented inclusion standards but were about Persons of Protected Identity so we don't need to understand those standards is also loathsome

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      you know how you get an article about a video game character to stay on Wikipedia? write two citations to independent reliable secondary sources discussing it into the article. you know how you get an article about a Nobel Prize winning woman to stay on Wikipedia? C'MON GUESS

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    3. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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      Generally agree, but notice the specific inclusion requirements are disproportionately used to kill articles about less prominent groups. A video game character article gets a talk page message questioning notability, but the Nobel woman was just deleted for not being perfect.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      talk page messages questioning notability aren't unusual but one form or another of proposal for deletion as opening overture is extremely normal in all topic areas. what i've seen so far is that "not perfect" was 1) a copy and paste of a web page then 2) a citation-free article

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    5. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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      Eh. Neither would cause a speedy deletion of a new article on Sam Harris. I agree deleted articles that result in news can be that way, but they get news because the Wiki mindset that uses rules to short-circuit critical thinking is bad and insular in a way alien to most people.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      the uncited article might not, that's always a pure crapshoot, but the copypasta article on Sam Harris would be deleted to a high degree of certainty, copyvio is policed with an iron fist and automated tools yes, it's a highly developed system of metis and so very vulnerable

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    7. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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      Even copyvio is not a hard rule for article deletion. Might be interesting to look for patterns in what articles are allowed to exist with copyvio. No, I'm not saying these 600 articles compares to the torrent of all incoming copypasta. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3AAll_copied_and_pasted_articles_and_sections …

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      that's not a list of things "allowed to exist", it's a work queue of things that need to be inspected to determine whether they should exist

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    9. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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      Same thing, especially in an environment where people fashion the rules as deterministic and objective.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      interpreting the fact that a bureaucratic process that exists for the sake of diligence in not letting automated tools make ham-fisted false-positive-prone judgments hasn't yet gotten to a flagged article as an endorsement of that article's existence isn't even *good* propaganda

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        2. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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          All I'm saying is that someone deleted one of few women to have won a physics Nobel Prize, an obviously notable figure per WP's other guidelines, and the article was given less time to work through its issues than any of the things on that list which has some entries from 2014.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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          so if the implied bias is determinative rather than this being a cherry-picked instance of a stochastic process vulnerable to hostile political interpretation, why are articles about Veronica de Klerk, Clarissa Pinkola Estés, Charlotte Kate Fox, and Ana Brnabić on that list?

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