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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      Wikipedia process is loathsome but grievance farming about deletions of articles that didn't come close to meeting mind-bogglingly well-documented inclusion standards but were about Persons of Protected Identity so we don't need to understand those standards is also loathsome

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      you know how you get an article about a video game character to stay on Wikipedia? write two citations to independent reliable secondary sources discussing it into the article. you know how you get an article about a Nobel Prize winning woman to stay on Wikipedia? C'MON GUESS

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    3. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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      Generally agree, but notice the specific inclusion requirements are disproportionately used to kill articles about less prominent groups. A video game character article gets a talk page message questioning notability, but the Nobel woman was just deleted for not being perfect.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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      talk page messages questioning notability aren't unusual but one form or another of proposal for deletion as opening overture is extremely normal in all topic areas. what i've seen so far is that "not perfect" was 1) a copy and paste of a web page then 2) a citation-free article

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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          the speedy deletion for being copypasta was unambiguously correct. with the citation-free article, both the people who wrote it with no citations and the people who deleted it as a way of demanding citations instead of spending a few minutes to add them are at fault

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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          the fault of the creating editors is mitigated by their presumed ignorance; the fault of the deleting editors is mitigated by their personal discretion in whether they feel like allowing their unpaid labor to be demanded through the mechanism of writing articles with no citations

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        2. Shibbo Leth‏ @lethargilistic 4 Nov 2018
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          Eh. Neither would cause a speedy deletion of a new article on Sam Harris. I agree deleted articles that result in news can be that way, but they get news because the Wiki mindset that uses rules to short-circuit critical thinking is bad and insular in a way alien to most people.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 4 Nov 2018
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          the uncited article might not, that's always a pure crapshoot, but the copypasta article on Sam Harris would be deleted to a high degree of certainty, copyvio is policed with an iron fist and automated tools yes, it's a highly developed system of metis and so very vulnerable

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