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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack

      okay. you give vastly more credit to the idea that imprisonment was an effective removal of him from his organization than i do, but if one were to assign that credit the rest follows

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    2. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
      Replying to @chaosprime

      How exactly was he supposed to communicate with the outside world? He didn’t even get to see his daughters until he’d been in prison for a decade. His correspondence was limited and heavily censored. He was kept in a separate wing of the prison with other political prisoners.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack

      lolhttps://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/mandela/prison/mip.html …

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    4. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
      Replying to @chaosprime

      If you think that irregularly smuggled messages on toilet paper are any way to run a movement, you’re out of your mind. His own information was coming from smuggled newspaper clippings. The ANC would’ve been insane to send operational details to Robben Island.

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack

      so the news that his people are doing this atrocity intended to make people talk about it never reaches him by any means including a friendly warder going "hey it's kinda messed up what your people are doing", or toilet paper does not suffice for "hey don't burn people alive"? k

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    6. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
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      My point is he wasn’t calling the shots. The head of the ANC, Oliver Tambo, agreed to abide by the Geneva Convention in 1980. Even if l Mandela retained enormous influence over official policy from prison, that policy was already against necklacing.

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    7. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime

      Saying he’s complicit because he never condemned it is very different from saying he’s complicit because he made it happen.

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack

      yes; to be clear, i have no reason to believe he invented or promoted the practice, my picture of his involvement is solely one of not detectably lifting a finger to stop it from happening

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @chaosprime @FirstClassHack

      which i do not regard as the behavior of Saintly Wisdom Grandpa

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    10. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
      Replying to @chaosprime

      No one who seriously pushes this narrative believes that Mandela was always a saint. The whole point is that he renounced violence after advocating for it (and engaging in it!) for many decades. Militant revolutionary becomes pacifist.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
      Replying to @FirstClassHack

      okay, good. that isn't really what filters through the layers of tarting up, tbqf

      5:30 PM - 7 Oct 2018
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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 7
          Replying to @chaosprime @FirstClassHack

          i am kinda left to wonder why a convert to pacifism would never say word one against a practice like this, but maybe he was busy

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        3. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
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          I don’t know; he didn’t specifically call out terrorism, either, but he stopped doing it. It’s like if Lenin, on the eve of the October revolution, said, “nope, we’re going to do this peacefully. No one hurt the aristocrats or the bourgeoisie.”

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        4. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 7
          Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime

          Even in 1990 The New York Times was running editorials like “Why Won’t Mandela Renounce Violence,” and handwringing about whether he’d follow in the footsteps of Gandhi or Lenin. So when he governed like a peacemaker it was a big deal.https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/21/opinion/why-won-t-mandela-renounce-violence.html …

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