The US government may have had that idea, local resistance movements often did not, especially in Eastern Europe. I’m not saying it’s right, but I also don’t think it makes you just as bad as the other guy. Atrocities to enforce apartheid =/= atrocities to overthrow it.
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that's a sensible position; i am not sure it goes all the way to Let Us All Schmoop Over Saintly Wisdom Grandpa
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When he actually led Spear of the Nation, it mostly conducted industrial sabotage. He had no control over the organization from prison. His wife endorsed necklacing, he divorced her. And when he took power, he governed like saintly wisdom grandpa.
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okay. you give vastly more credit to the idea that imprisonment was an effective removal of him from his organization than i do, but if one were to assign that credit the rest follows
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How exactly was he supposed to communicate with the outside world? He didn’t even get to see his daughters until he’d been in prison for a decade. His correspondence was limited and heavily censored. He was kept in a separate wing of the prison with other political prisoners.
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If you think that irregularly smuggled messages on toilet paper are any way to run a movement, you’re out of your mind. His own information was coming from smuggled newspaper clippings. The ANC would’ve been insane to send operational details to Robben Island.
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so the news that his people are doing this atrocity intended to make people talk about it never reaches him by any means including a friendly warder going "hey it's kinda messed up what your people are doing", or toilet paper does not suffice for "hey don't burn people alive"? k
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My point is he wasn’t calling the shots. The head of the ANC, Oliver Tambo, agreed to abide by the Geneva Convention in 1980. Even if l Mandela retained enormous influence over official policy from prison, that policy was already against necklacing.
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Saying he’s complicit because he never condemned it is very different from saying he’s complicit because he made it happen.
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yes; to be clear, i have no reason to believe he invented or promoted the practice, my picture of his involvement is solely one of not detectably lifting a finger to stop it from happening
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which i do not regard as the behavior of Saintly Wisdom Grandpa
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No one who seriously pushes this narrative believes that Mandela was always a saint. The whole point is that he renounced violence after advocating for it (and engaging in it!) for many decades. Militant revolutionary becomes pacifist.
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