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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 7 Oct 2018
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      possibly the most disgusting blue tribe habit is hagiography of Nelson Mandela everybody who does this should be required to write an essay on what the practice of necklacing is, how they think it feels to have it done to you, and what they think its place in politics is

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    2. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack 7 Oct 2018
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      Nelson Mandela was in prison when the ANC started doing this. His letters were censored. His hands were clean (his wife, not so much). And, frankly, if brutally executing collaborators is the worst thing your national liberation movement ever did, you’re one of the good guys.

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    3. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack 7 Oct 2018
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      Whether it was a mistake to prioritize mercy over justice once he took power is another question. But if we saw this happening to Nazi collaborators in World War Two, we wouldn’t bat an eyelash.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 7 Oct 2018
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      wouldn't we? at the time we had this whole idea that things like torturing people to death (for definite real crimes and never inside baseball score settling) was something the other guys did. obviously we've long since abandoned that now

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    5. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack 7 Oct 2018
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      The US government may have had that idea, local resistance movements often did not, especially in Eastern Europe. I’m not saying it’s right, but I also don’t think it makes you just as bad as the other guy. Atrocities to enforce apartheid =/= atrocities to overthrow it.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 7 Oct 2018
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      that's a sensible position; i am not sure it goes all the way to Let Us All Schmoop Over Saintly Wisdom Grandpa

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        2. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack 7 Oct 2018
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          When he actually led Spear of the Nation, it mostly conducted industrial sabotage. He had no control over the organization from prison. His wife endorsed necklacing, he divorced her. And when he took power, he governed like saintly wisdom grandpa.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 7 Oct 2018
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          okay. you give vastly more credit to the idea that imprisonment was an effective removal of him from his organization than i do, but if one were to assign that credit the rest follows

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