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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 6

    what are the typical failure modes of anarchist mutual aid groups?

    11:12 AM - 6 Oct 2018
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      2. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Somewhat whimsically, I will nominate "not having a military doctrine beyond somewhat sub-standard guerilla warfare"

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 6
        Replying to @0K_ultra

        "military unit" is an interesting subcategory of "mutual aid group"

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      4. Bakalov_PTR‏ @bakalov_ptr Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra

        Anarchist military? Where everyone is a general... and no one is?

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      2. The Succubitch‏ @erismoth Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        loss of communication things falling apart, lack of resources lack of time

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 6
        Replying to @erismoth

        any apparent root causes other than too high ratio of people in a position to need aid vs. people in a position to provide aid?

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      4. The Succubitch‏ @erismoth Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        that and relationships fall apart people grow distant networks need to have stuff happen to matter and conflict is inevitable. basically i think you need a critical mass before it can be self sustaining as a group because otherwise people will drift apart

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      2. electronbird‏ @electronicavian Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Not having a clear idea of what they actually want to do and disintegrating accordingly.

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      3. electronbird‏ @electronicavian Oct 6
        Replying to @electronicavian @chaosprime

        To elaborate on this: I see lots of people going like "hey, we need to found a commune!" just because apparently it is a thing to do. I never get any explanation of *why* or what purpose it serves. It's supposed to make everything great somehow (to be determined later.)

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      4. electronbird‏ @electronicavian Oct 6
        Replying to @electronicavian @chaosprime

        There's this ephemeral enthusiasm about nothing in particular that dissipates as soon as it meets the difficulty of forming any kind of functioning organization or community; mainly it's a thing onto which people project half-formed hopes and good feelings--but not plans.

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      5. electronbird‏ @electronicavian Oct 6
        Replying to @electronicavian @chaosprime

        And the final rock on which it founders is the failure to consider how, if accomplished, this autonomous collective or mutual aid society would actually differ from what people actually live in--or to what extent.

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      6. electronbird‏ @electronicavian Oct 6
        Replying to @electronicavian @chaosprime

        This can result in the organization trying to serve a need that either doesn't exist or is already better satisfied by something that already exists--or a need which may even be fundamentally incompatible with their aims.

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      1. 𐐑𐑄𐐰𐑀𐑌𐐪𐑉 𐐡𐐰𐐼𐑀𐐰𐑊𐑁‏ @pthagnar Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        accidentally forgetting not to become crime syndicates who are key players in conspiracy theories

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      2. Ghost Waffle‏ @Octapode Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Going on judge judy because the project lead tried to invest your funds in the drug trade and ended up losing it all instead

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      3. 𐐑𐑄𐐰𐑀𐑌𐐪𐑉 𐐡𐐰𐐼𐑀𐐰𐑊𐑁‏ @pthagnar Oct 6
        Replying to @Octapode @chaosprime

        see that's just what i said

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      1. J.R. Maul's House of Gravytime Mortals‏ @BlockChainQuest Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        This book has a whole section on Cruelty: https://www.akpress.org/comehellorhighwater.html …

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      1. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Scaling past Dunbar’s number.

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      1. Bakalov_PTR‏ @bakalov_ptr Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        when it turns into feudalism? "You be anarchist there. I'll be anarchist here."

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      1. Eris‏ @Eris58079828 Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I dono man, i usually just wing it. When i see someone who needs help, i help them. Whether they like it or not. Can't say the greeks were to happy with me, but the romans adored me. With out my help, Jesus wouldn't have been possible.

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      1. Non State Actor‏ @0pfour Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra

        Long read, totally worth it.https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/08/why-utopian-communities-fail/ …

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      1. Carl Eichelberger‏ @Mister_Meanie17 Oct 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Lack of organizational skills

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