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    1. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Oct 2
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime

      Systems are inherently schematic, which means they impose theory on the facts. Method--at least, a correct method--deduces theory from the facts.

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    2. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 2
      Replying to @StevenBrust @chaosprime

      Fair enough, but it’s very difficult to determine what data might be relevant to answering a given question, gather that data and then analyze it without a preexisting schema both helping you make those decisions and also putting its thumb on the scale.

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    3. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Oct 2
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime

      That's exactly why the study of epistemology is important, and has a practical effect. There is a difference between having a schema, and having a method, particularly a method one has examined and analyzed and tested.

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    4. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 2
      Replying to @StevenBrust @chaosprime

      I hear you, but then I think of all those earnest 19th century thinkers diligently studying phrenology using a bastardized scientific method. At the very least, we probably need a lot more neuroscience before we can make major strides in correcting this stuff.

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    5. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Oct 2
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime

      I keep thinking of those other 19th Century scientists: Darwin, Marx, Doppler, Curie, Pasteur, &c &c &c. What they accomplished wasn't small beans, and that all of them studied epistemology (I think; not sure about Curie) isn't accidental.

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    6. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 2
      Replying to @StevenBrust @chaosprime

      That’s why I mentioned neuroscience, because many of the fundamental questions of epistemology should ultimately be answerable by it.

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 2
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @StevenBrust

      don't really think so; in a sense all questions of biology are questions of chemistry, but we don't look to sufficiently advanced chemistry to answer our questions of biology this is like that but a couple more abstraction layers apart

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    8. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 2
      Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

      And, in fact, yes, we do look to sufficiently advanced chemistry to answer biological questions—biochem is a huge discipline. Why not neuro-epistemology?

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 2
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @StevenBrust

      the hybrid terms get right to it, though, don't they? it isn't one discipline providing the answers so another doesn't have to, it's one discipline informing another. which neuroscience can tremendously do for epistemology, absolutely

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    10. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 3
      Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

      Typically when a hard science starts answering philosophical questions, it subsumes that discipline.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Oct 3
      Replying to @FirstClassHack @StevenBrust

      what are the cases of this occurring that you are drawing this typicality from?

      12:02 AM - 3 Oct 2018
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        1. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Oct 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @FirstClassHack

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU …

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        2. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

          Physics and biology carved up natural philosophy. Regular old philosophy is a shadow of its former self. I see our understanding of epistemology as being not much better than Lucretius’ understanding of particle physics—he got a lot right, surprisingly, but it was by accident.

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        3. Slanted & Disenchanted‏ @FirstClassHack Oct 3
          Replying to @FirstClassHack @chaosprime @StevenBrust

          Psychology has already pried away a lot of what used to be the domain of philosophers focusing on epistemology.

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        1. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Oct 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @FirstClassHack

          Yeah, that was what I was about to ask.

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