an entitlement to an economic good. a right to health care; a right to bread; a right to housing; the right to ponies that the Democratic Party is so dead-set against despite ponies being really quite affordable
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Replying to @chaosprime
I'm not yet convinced there is that sort of hard line. I mean, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness." Positive or negative. Right to life means you don't get to kill me, does it also mean I'm entitled to bread and health care? What about an end to a war? Pos. or neg?
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Replying to @StevenBrust
it all depends on what you mean, sure; as alluded to earlier you can stow away all kinds of positive rights in "equality" if you're motivated, and as you say, a negative right to life is very different from a positive right to life
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do we conceive of a right to, what, have the world around one not have war in it? that's a negative. if we conceive of a right to *live* in a world without war that gets stickier
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"Authoritarianism" always comes in, at least in a revolution that means business, in order for the new class to protect itself from counter-revolution. This authoritarianism is always relaxed as the new ruling class no longer feels itself threatened. Then returns as needed.
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yeah, that's basically the thing, i'm pretty sure the complexity of the system of the world is way beyond authoritarian management to any meaningful depth at this point, meaning that a revolution would automatically fuck things up to the point of epic genocide
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Replying to @chaosprime
I see no reason to think that. When the authoritarianism is on behalf of a class that is the overwhelming majority, against a tiny minority, I see no reason to expect it to either last very long, or be especially harsh.
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Replying to @StevenBrust
that'd be nice, but the revolutionary element isn't the people who *should* want the revolution, it's the people who *do* want the revolution, and the reactionary element isn't the people who *shouldn't* want it, it's the people who *don't* want it
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Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust
which is why we had that recent wave of extremely woke socialist takes about how lumpenproletariat genocide is cool and good actually
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Replying to @chaosprime
Christ Jesus. Who said that? Also, is it possible to be a socialist and be "woke"? I dunno, maybe it is.
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here's a nice rundown. i would not pretend to sufficient expertise in the semantic matter you raise https://twitter.com/AmbrosialArts/status/1037447218519658496 …
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Replying to @chaosprime
I don't speak Spanish. Thing about the lumpen-proletariat is that they can provide the shock troops for fascists. They can also, however, become part of the revolutionary movement when it looks like it knows what it's doing.
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