"Do you support violent revolution?" You know what? I'm really tired of those who justify, or at best are silent about, the legalized execution of workers by bomb or policeman wagging their moralizing fingers about the masses using violence to defend themselves. Bugger off.
do we conceive of a right to, what, have the world around one not have war in it? that's a negative. if we conceive of a right to *live* in a world without war that gets stickier
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In practice, then, I believe more and more things (positive and negative) have become generally accepted as "human rights." We even have a word for someone who thinks this is bad: reactionary. +
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Revolutionary upheavals are caused by the desire of the masses to defend what they have, that they perceive is being taken away. They then often find themselves forced to carry forward positive rights (ie, the "right" of the capitalist to appropriate the landlord's holdings).
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"Authoritarianism" always comes in, at least in a revolution that means business, in order for the new class to protect itself from counter-revolution. This authoritarianism is always relaxed as the new ruling class no longer feels itself threatened. Then returns as needed.
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yeah, that's basically the thing, i'm pretty sure the complexity of the system of the world is way beyond authoritarian management to any meaningful depth at this point, meaning that a revolution would automatically fuck things up to the point of epic genocide
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I see no reason to think that. When the authoritarianism is on behalf of a class that is the overwhelming majority, against a tiny minority, I see no reason to expect it to either last very long, or be especially harsh.
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that'd be nice, but the revolutionary element isn't the people who *should* want the revolution, it's the people who *do* want the revolution, and the reactionary element isn't the people who *shouldn't* want it, it's the people who *don't* want it
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Unless the masses themselves are vehemently, enthusiastically for revolution, it quite simply cannot happen.
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