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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 11 Sep 2018
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      yeah, you're not reading it right

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    2. Stuart Robertson‏ @Amusd_onnlookr 11 Sep 2018
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      then why unintentional instead of intentional?

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 11 Sep 2018
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      that's the kind of question you should really fire up the ol' inference engine for instead of having me fill in the blank but when you have an idea why that word would be there instead of the other one then you'll be reading it right

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    4. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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      what people seem to keep ultimately tripping up on is that "avoid unintentional harm" really means "just show due diligence in trying to avoid it, which includes making an effort to learn from (the inevitable) failures"

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    5. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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      I may even seriously raise the question of whether there even is such a thing as intentional harm, except in a few safely discountable extreme outlier cases. it's really not as obvious as it might feel

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Sep 2018
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      that certainly seems entirely insupportible to me, so naturally i'm very curious as to how you would support it

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    7. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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      I just doubt doing what you know to be harm in the immediate scale without some underlying belief that it's for the good or at least justifiable on some wider scale is really that big a thing in normal psychology. everyone's got reasons.

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Sep 2018
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      the thing i think is rotten to high heaven in there is that the idea that if you've justified the harm then it has ceased to be harm or ceased to be intentional

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    9. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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      fair. I'm probably over-nuancing the definition of "intentional" in my version

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    10. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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      I was thinking if you've justified it by reference to some legitimate end it's just a means to then at that point you're considering the harm per se just a side-effect. not that that'll fly *objectively* but it lets ppl feel like they've distanced the act from their "intention"

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Sep 2018
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      there are no side effects the point of the whole thing is that if you do harm, it should be because you chose to do it if your chosen path to what you want involves causing harm then that harm is now a part of your intention and is not whitewashed by "but i just wanted"

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        2. Brian Donnelly‏ @bdonnelly 13 Sep 2018
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          Isn’t this kinda Nietzschean essentially?

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 13 Sep 2018
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          one may hope

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        2. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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          agree. seems broadly the same idea as "who desires the end must embrace the means", which I think is importantly true both normatively and descriptively

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        3. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 12 Sep 2018
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          but afaict that's not the way people tend to think "normally", even if it is the way I think people *ought* to think

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