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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Sep 4

    periodic reminder that reductio ad absurdum *is not a logical fallacy* if your principles produce absurdity when applied consistently, this doesn't demonstrate that the person saying so is being naughty, it demonstrates that your principles are fucked

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      2. Ghost Waffle‏ @Octapode Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Although of course that only matters if you were actually planning to apply your principles consistently, and who has the time for that?

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Sep 4
        Replying to @Octapode

        the thing is, maybe you weren't planning to, but then other people hear about them and decide they're going to be so much better of a good person than you by applying them consistently, and the next fucking thing you know you've got vegans

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      2. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime

        nuhuh, YOUR principles are fucked mine are right and good always

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Sep 4
        Replying to @danlistensto

        maybe my principles are into that, no kinkshame mkay

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      2. Peter Pentchev‏ @mrrmot Sep 5
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        OK, now you made me curious... Somebody deems it a fallacy?

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Sep 5
        Replying to @mrrmot @StevenBrust

        yeah, it happens, as it would kind of have to given the general tendency to think that labeling something means you've rebutted it some people even publish "educational" articles about it:https://study.com/academy/answer/what-is-an-example-of-the-reductio-ad-absurdum-fallacy.html …

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      4. Peter Pentchev‏ @mrrmot Sep 5
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        Oh wow. Thanks for the link. I'd somehow managed to miss that particular kind of mislabeling.

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      2. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime

        The fallacy is 'strawman' when you pretend that you're applying them consistently but you're actually changing the meaning by a shade or two and/or taking the cliff's-note version literally in order to get absurd results.

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      3. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Sep 4
        Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime

        OTOH fallacies are useless as a concept anyway because it's too easy to pattern-match things to their forms. OTOOH principles in general are a stupid way to make decisions. You can't math or logic with human-readable sentences.

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      1. Andrew Molitor‏ @amolitor99 Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime

        reduction ad absurdum is every mathematician's favorite NON-fallacy. Its applicability in the real world is extremely limited, because almost any human idea, when examined closely and applied carelessly, reduces to an absurdity.

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      1. The Legendary Dragon Alephwyr, named Alephwyr‏ @Alephwyr Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Idiots who don't know their basic classes of refutation from their basic fallacies drive me crazy.

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      1. David Messer‏ @EtzEchad Sep 4
        Replying to @chaosprime @WillShetterly

        It’s amazing how few people realize that. Along with civics, logic is no long taught in school.

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      1. thedroidurlooking4‏ @DRSVoR Sep 5
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        I thought it was a Harry Potter spell

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      1. hetless horseman‏ @endlessbats Sep 5
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I always thought consistency was the enemy of a humane set of principles anyway ie free speech is generally good but Nazis disqualify themselves from it, that kind of thing, context-dependent principles

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