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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20

    which is more destructive to accurate understanding of the world, “whatever our team uses to advance itself is true” discourse or “whatever the other team uses against our team is false” discourse?

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      2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20

        these are great results because my hot take is that the correct answer is option 2. you at least have the option of trying to shape your own team's discourse to be less bullshit; requiring outgroup claims to all be false forces you into a reactive stance you aren't in control of

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20

        this means you can be trivially made to demand that your team treat clearly true statements as false or at least unsayable, which is the position that progressivism increasingly finds itself in, especially since the alt-right picked up provoking it as a fun pastime

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      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20

        and of course anybody who answered option 4 is either a contrarian shitposter or an admirably unabashed cordyceps host, so it's nice to have numbers on those in my followers even if disambiguating them is problematic

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 21

        fwiw, a lot of people seem to be processing this whole set of ideas as if Our Team and Their Team were generally or even often making directly inverse truth claims about the same topics — Our Team is asserting A and Their Team is asserting !A — which is catastrophically wrong

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      2. Tom James‏ @TACJ Aug 21
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Phone in for ‘reflexive pseudo-impartiality’

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 21
        Replying to @TACJ

        ah yes, the ever and increasingly popular "since truly disinterested objectivity is impossible, understanding the universe through demanding that whatever propositions support one's ideology be true is just as good as making an honest attempt to not start with one's conclusions"

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      4. Tom James‏ @TACJ Aug 21
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Closer to ‘actually we have a pretty robust epistemic handle on a lot of important concepts, but I’m going to bad-faith pretend there is always at least some merit on both sides of the argument’

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 21
        Replying to @TACJ

        yeah that's fair, pretending that controversy existing means everybody has some kind of supportable position doesn't help anything

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      2. hetless horseman‏ @endlessbats Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        oh wait I voted for the one I thought was most rad not the most bad, I’ve tainted the sample

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20
        Replying to @endlessbats

        welp, guess this iteration of the universe is a wash then, time to shut it down and start over

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      2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        they're the same thing

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20
        Replying to @palecur

        see downthread for how i don't think so at all

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      2. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Like Sophie's amulet, they are the same side.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 20
        Replying to @womzilla

        see downthread for how i think they're actually very different

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      4. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Sure, you break out of them in different ways, but while you're in them, they're not very.

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      1. Jason Miller‏ @Lexwerks Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        "is Eris true?" "Everything is true." "even false things?" "Even false things are true." "how can that be?" "I don't know man, I didn't do it."

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      2. aspirations of becoming death‏ @bleaky Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        voted option 1 since never questioning your own assumptions will quickly lead to complete stagnation

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      3. Dr. Andrea Medaris‏ @andreamedaris Aug 21
        Replying to @bleaky @chaosprime

        Agree. If your side leaves any room for doubt, then there can be doubt that the other side is 100% false. If you're def right, all is lost.

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      1. Reality Winner‏ @ryanacalvo Aug 20
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Unequally destructive

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      1. Jonathan Rivalland‏ @Reimaran_Tours Aug 21
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Something something Eris, something something "to the most truest propaganda".

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