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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 6

    if mean, think about it: if you were a middle class American, would you rather believe your comfort were the product of blood-soaked global resource extraction, or your just reward for not saying "fuck" when there are kids around and only cheating on your spouse when you're drunk

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      2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Not to dispute--because you're right--but as a side note, we're rapidly reaching the point where "middle class" no longer means "comfortable."

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Aug 6
        Replying to @StevenBrust

        also known as the point where "middle class" means "formerly middle class"

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      2. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        discomfiting those with moral certitude ought to work better than it does. unfortunately that very certitude is a shield against the efforts of others to make one reflect on the system of the world.

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      3. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Aug 6
        Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

        it's a weak proxy, but the trangressiveness of saying fuck around kids (actually around parents of young kids, the kids don't care) can be justified in that it at least produces the desired emotional response if for the wrong reasons.

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      4. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 Aug 6
        Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime

        The other day I watched Trigun for the first time & it occurs to me that what's notable about that show is essentially the way it paints moral certitude as morally wrong.

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      5. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 Aug 6
        Replying to @enkiv2 @danlistensto @chaosprime

        The reason Vash is good is that he puts more effort into finding creative ways to maximize positive outcomes than anybody else, while the antagonist is basically only an antagonist because he has a rigid set of heuristics based on illusory moral clarity.

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      6. Gothic Planchette Egregore‏ @enkiv2 Aug 6
        Replying to @enkiv2 @danlistensto @chaosprime

        Maybe the appropriate way to disrupt illusory moral clarity is to demonstrate that there are ways to achieve ideal ends & that thinking more carefully is actually worthwhile? (i.e., showing a third option)

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      7. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Aug 6
        Replying to @enkiv2 @chaosprime

        Knives is a fanatical genocidal nihilist. He has a kind of certitude in his beliefs but I hesitate to describe fanatical genocidal nihilism as a kind of morality. He seems to believe that there are NO humans who deserve to live and has no criteria for distinguishing them.

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      8. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Aug 6
        Replying to @danlistensto @enkiv2 @chaosprime

        Vash is his opposite and also displays a kind of certitude in his belief that ALL sentient beings deserve to live. Vash avoids killing to a fault, as shown by the negative consequences of his mercy on many occasions in the series.

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      9. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Aug 6
        Replying to @danlistensto @enkiv2 @chaosprime

        it's the human characters in the series that show moral ambiguity and are ultimately the ones with a workable philosophy. Meryl and Milly representing utilitarianism, considering the costs and consequences of actions. Wolfwood representing the Sin/Salvation dialectic as a human.

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      1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I think the former, but only because I find the idea that my purported choices make a mystical difference terrifying.

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      1. Tavnos Templeton‏ @74Vn0x5 Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Either one of those (besides the cheating on wife part) is better than going along with the official narrative of: We installed this fail-proof non-debatable democracy debate in all the countries that we at some point may have proxied, extorted & annexed, they should be thankful!

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      1. The 6th JM‏ @The6thJM Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        My BREAKFAST is the result of blood-soaked global resource extraction. And that's just corn flakes and bananas. Trying to make me think the rest of my life is a just reward? Not gonna happen. I'm at the top of the world, and first against the wall when the revolution comes.pic.twitter.com/ufROBmfzVf

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      1. Neutron Glitch‏ @neutronglitch Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        more👏cheap👏foreign👏labor👏

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      1. 𐐑𐑄𐐰𐑀𐑌𐐪𐑉 𐐡𐐰𐐼𐑀𐐰𐑊𐑁‏ @pthagnar Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        oilmen say 'fuck' all the time, i hear. it worries me that infrastructure is worked on by such people.

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      1. WB‏ @nouseriously Aug 6
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I'm positive that "socialist" middle class kids haven't though through the real implications of putting everyone in the world on the same level. Cause it won't mean everyone on Earth suddenly having the 55" TVs, office jobs & plentiful free time those kids see as their due.

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