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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27

    the professor who plays at implementing Plato's Republic by telling you the version of the truth which he thinks will make you the most virtuous does not less fancy himself your master than the jackbooted thug

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      1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27

        to freelance philosopher kings as to all kings

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      2. some sorta savage‏ @atthatmatt Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I'd rather be misled than have my head stomped on. #duh

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @atthatmatt

        and that's how they getcha, innit which one do you think heals faster

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      4. some sorta savage‏ @atthatmatt Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        So you'd rather have thugs physically enslave you than have old guys bullshit you?

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @atthatmatt

        how is it in any way unclear that i would be super into having neither

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      6. some sorta savage‏ @atthatmatt Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        You setup the choice of one or the other. Obviously we'd rather have unicorn massages.

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      7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @atthatmatt

        right, except i actually didn't observing two things isn't setting up a binary choice between them

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      2. Michael R. Bernstein‏ @nerdworldorder Jul 28
        Replying to @chaosprime

        How do you feel about the sort of tactics advocated in "Nudge" by @CassSunstein and @R_Thaler? eg. Changing organ donation default so you have to opt-out rather than opt-in results in many more people choosing to be (presumably more virtuous) organ donors.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 28
        Replying to @nerdworldorder @CassSunstein @R_Thaler

        that seems like a lovely idea though it's orthogonal to the question of anybody being virtuous it doesn't involve misrepresenting anything, we can accurately say that our best guess is that after you are dead you will not care what happens to your organs

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      4. Michael R. Bernstein‏ @nerdworldorder Jul 28
        Replying to @chaosprime @CassSunstein @R_Thaler

        So, how would you describe someone *declining* to be an organ donor, if not as lacking in virtue? For the sake of argument, let's say their reason isn't religious, it's aesthetic: the thought of having any of their organs harvested after their demise squicks them out.

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 28
        Replying to @nerdworldorder @CassSunstein @R_Thaler

        sure they're lacking in virtue, for various popular values of virtue. they don't have to be virtuous. it's their choice. and they shouldn't be compelled or coerced to act as if they were virtuous, including by deception

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      2. Terrycloth‏ @terrycloth11 Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Your choice is between 'this is what I think is true', 'this is what I hope is true', 'this is what is best for you to believe', and 'this is what is best for me for you to believe', and 'this would make me laugh if you actually bought it'. So the prof. is squarely in the middle.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @terrycloth11

        though 'this is what is best for you to believe' is basically always 'this is what is best for me for you to believe'

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      4. Jon E Pizza‏ @JonEPizza Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime @terrycloth11

        I honestly think the first one is usually done in favor of some (flawed) perception of what the world needs, not the self trying to gain something. Like: There are billionaires that campaign for higher taxes, though it's only loss for them. They think it's right for the world.

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @JonEPizza @terrycloth11

        oh for sure yeah

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      6. Michael R. Bernstein‏ @nerdworldorder Jul 28
        Replying to @chaosprime @JonEPizza @terrycloth11

        There's still an element of enlightened self interest though – that higher-taxes world is one in which they prefer to live in (more funding for arts and science, well maintained infrastructure, lower odds of the proles lining them up against the wall, etc.), even with less money.

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      2. Thom Ivy  🏳️‍🌈‏ @thom_ivy_1 Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        If coercion by our circumstances is unavoidable, shouldn't we want to be coerced in ways that benefit us? Isn't it preferable to be coerced into wellbeing? If true, doesn't negate your point.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @thom_ivy_1

        people's ideas about what constitutes wellbeing in another person are somewhat famously disparate with their ideas about what constitutes wellbeing in themselves

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      2. john the horrorist‏ @theheathenjohn Jul 27
        Replying to @chaosprime

        is this what that donna tart novel is about

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 27
        Replying to @theheathenjohn

        fucked if i know

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